Episode 74 Embracing Spiritual Awakening: A Conversation with Vivienne Gerard

On: Apr 16, 2024

Welcome to another episode of the Scrumptious Woman Podcast! I’m delighted to bring you a thought-provoking conversation that delves into the realms of spirituality, intuition, and personal growth. In this episode, I had the pleasure of chatting with the insightful Vivienne Gerard, where we explored various facets of the human experience and the journey towards spiritual awakening.


In this captivating dialogue, Vivienne Gerard shares her profound insights on trusting intuition, the significance of meditation, and the importance of finding community on the spiritual journey. From discussing the dynamics of parenting neurodiverse children to navigating relationships where partners may have different levels of spiritual awareness, Vivienne offers valuable perspectives on embracing the complexities of human existence.

Key Takeaways:

1. Trust Your Intuition: Vivienne emphasises the importance of trusting the signs and intuition that guide our path towards self-discovery and growth.

2. Meditation for Clarity: Exploring meditation as a tool to quiet the mind, connect with the body, and allow the soul to guide the journey towards self-realisation.

3. Community Support: Finding a supportive community where one can share experiences, normalise spiritual awakenings, and receive guidance and validation on the journey.

4. Navigating Relationships: Understanding and respecting differences in spiritual awareness within relationships, and finding harmony amidst differing perspectives.

5. Embracing Duality: Recognising the beauty and challenges of living with one foot in the spiritual realm and the other in the physical world, and finding empowerment in embracing both aspects of our existence.

This enlightening conversation with Vivienne Gerard offers invaluable insights for anyone on the path of spiritual growth and self-discovery. Tune in to gain wisdom, inspiration, and practical guidance for navigating life’s journey with grace and authenticity.

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[00:00:00] Juliette Karaman: Good morning, good afternoon, good evening, wherever you are. Welcome to another episode of The Scrumptious Woman. I have with me an incredible lady. Her name is Vivienne Gerard. And you are an energy coach, mentor, healer, and really help people remember their gifts, right? I’m just trying to like, sit into the shortest, what for me, it feels like what you’re all about.

[00:00:28] Juliette Karaman: It’s you’re here on a mission to have people remember who they are. Yes. Does that

[00:00:33] Vivienne Gerard: feel right? Yes. So beautifully said. What’s interesting is I woke up in the middle of the night last night with this idea of re naming one of my programs. It used to be called Awakening the Guides. I don’t think that’s the right wording anymore.

[00:00:47] Vivienne Gerard: I think it’s just remember. So I love that’s how you feel me already and are introducing me as. Thank you. It’s so good to be here.

[00:00:56] Juliette Karaman: I’m super happy that you’re here. And it’s interesting because we had a tiny little chat before we got on. So I never prepare my guests. I don’t ask them questions before I don’t, all I say is Hey, share your links with me so they can go into the show notes.

[00:01:11] Juliette Karaman: And then it’s more like. You’re being a fly on the wall why two friends or two people get to know each other and have this relationship and we meander along and this is what energy is like, right? We feel each other’s energy and that’s Oh, this needs to blossom now. Let’s actually unpick that a little bit.

[00:01:31] Juliette Karaman: So I’m excited where we’re going to go. We don’t

[00:01:34] Vivienne Gerard: know yet. If I may begin, I love that not last week or the week before was when you shared your story. in a way I’ve never heard you share your story before, especially in your own space, your podcast. And a lot of the work I do is inviting people I care about, coaches, friends, clients tell me your story.

[00:01:56] Vivienne Gerard: Who are you and how did you get here? What is your path all about? And so to have you just do that this morning, I sat and listened. I was like, Oh my God, this woman, you have. You hold so much strength and depth, Juliet. And I knew that the first time I saw you in the mentorship program we were in, and I’ve just watched you consistently walk.

[00:02:19] Vivienne Gerard: just so steady, so strong in such alignment. You command a respect and I don’t know, a reverence in your walk. It’s just beautiful. So I really am excited to have a conversation with you in this way where others can witness it.

[00:02:33] Juliette Karaman: Thank you so much. And it’s interesting, right? This, whole story about my rape and getting into BDSM and how that brought me healing.

[00:02:43] Juliette Karaman: People hadn’t understood I’d been in Dominican Republic with 10 of my, my ladies that I was in a different mentorship with and healers and coaches and psychotherapists and then entrepreneurs and everything. And they’re like, we don’t understand what it is when you have like floggers and ropes there.

[00:03:04] Juliette Karaman: And I’m like, Oh, it’s. Just part of my story. So tell your story. And then I explained how I actually, how BDSM helped me and how I have helped other people get to that state of oneness, that ecstatic state that I know that you use, might use meditation or other ways to get there. But that is like the union state, right?

[00:03:26] Juliette Karaman: And when that, we can move through that, then there’s so much trauma that actually just releases from our body. That was my, really my, where I started to learn how I really have a gift for helping people move trauma. And that’s just one of the ways. But when people said, I’ll tell your story, I’m like, there’s so many parts of different.

[00:03:45] Juliette Karaman: Which one? Okay, I moved through. That’s not a big deal. What else? But yeah, so I think that’s, it’s been a really good eye opener where there are so many stories that I do have that each have a beautiful golden nugget in there. So

[00:04:01] Vivienne Gerard: yeah, when I was aware to like the work you do, I think It’s so body focused, but it brings in energy and soul and mind.

[00:04:10] Vivienne Gerard: For me, it’s the same alignment and harmony that I’m guiding clients into, but it’s from usually more of the mind and trying to find ways where the mind is a resource and a tool. It’s not stopping the flow of the energy. It’s not limiting the stories that we have created for ourselves. And that means sitting in your body.

[00:04:31] Vivienne Gerard: It means being the infinite in the body. And using the body as the temple, the vessel that the soul gets to do all of the work. So there’s beautiful parallels in our work, but the way you do it is just so different than the way I do. And it’s the same. The same goal, I would say, at the end.

[00:04:49] Juliette Karaman: Isn’t it interesting, because I think most people that I speak to, whether we’re coaches or entrepreneurs or I just talked to a journalist, we actually just want to help people be more of themselves.

[00:05:01] Juliette Karaman: Yeah. And it’s hey, we have a story. We were like this. And then all of a sudden, we managed to take some layers off. And now, we want to help you do the same.

[00:05:09] Vivienne Gerard: Yeah, absolutely.

[00:05:12] Juliette Karaman: So tell me, how did you get to, have you always read energy? Have you always felt energy? Okay, I love this, right? Whereas some people are like, yeah, since I was two, I knew exactly what to do.

[00:05:25] Vivienne Gerard: I’ve wondered, I do believe, I used energy when I was really little and then probably through like age eight, I have a very specific memory where I got in trouble for saying what I saw. And I remember this feeling of don’t do that anymore. It’s not safe to do that. And people don’t like when you do that.

[00:05:45] Vivienne Gerard: So don’t tell them what and I stopped, as I would describe it, reading energy for most of my life. And then when I was 38, I was going through a divorce. I was, a mess. Like I was not a nice person. I was definitely in my shit and happy to bring everybody into the shit show with me. And then this woman showed up and she taught energy reading.

[00:06:08] Vivienne Gerard: And so she helped me through, she was my flogger in a sense, like what you were describing. She was the one who activated all the energy and got things present for me. And then I could start to unpackage it. And in the process I found I was really good at it. I loved reading energy. I studied with her for a while and then put my job in.

[00:06:26] Vivienne Gerard: Started the next shit show and then eventually started my own business in 2016 and I’ve been, I don’t know, trying to figure it out ever since. What’s the way now, what’s the collective energy feeling like it needs, how do I align with that? We’ve gone through so many different.

[00:06:45] Vivienne Gerard: Massive shifts as a collective, I believe since 2012, like it’s just been one cycle after another. And I think now finally I’m 53, the Pluto is in Aquarius age of Aquarius is happening. I’m an Aquarius sun and moon. I can just feel the current is carrying me. I’m not fighting it or trying to figure it out anymore.

[00:07:05] Vivienne Gerard: It’s just this beautiful alignment and each step is so clear and so defined and carried. So I’m really in a beautiful place in my journey and so happy now to be talking about it because back then I would have probably told you I had all the answers, I figured it all out, I know what I’m doing. Now I’m like, I don’t know.

[00:07:25] Vivienne Gerard: I’m just being carried by the current and it’s a really good current.

[00:07:28] Juliette Karaman: Yeah. And I love that you’re really honest. Sometimes it’s this is such a shit show. Am I ever going to get out of this? It’s I’m drowning. What’s happening? Like everything just is, it just feels like my whole life is falling apart.

[00:07:44] Juliette Karaman: And I remember one of my earlier mentors had said, if you can outrun it, But you cannot. That sounds exhausting. But you cannot. And it was just like, can I just go back to just not feeling so much? And can I just go back to numbing myself? And I try from time to time, and watch lots of TV and then there’s too much sugar in my diet and my body just shakes up.

[00:08:09] Juliette Karaman: But what I was realizing, you can’t outrun it. But this weekend I had an experience where it’s just, we become more open. We feel more. And then later on, I want to talk about the kids that are born now, how they feel much more. But I’ve also noticed because I have done so much work and I’ve done so much work with clients as well, I can really feel when someone hasn’t done their work.

[00:08:36] Juliette Karaman: My body is give it to me. I’ll alchemize it. Oh my God.

[00:08:39] Vivienne Gerard: And

[00:08:44] Juliette Karaman: I know I’ve done this for years, but then the weekend I saw where my body was actually going into complete flight. I had to get out of there because it recognized that pattern of unsafety, which it was used to. And I was like, Oh, isn’t that interesting after 15 years of working on this.

[00:09:04] Juliette Karaman: I can still get triggered by, by, by other stuff, by other people that haven’t done the work and that somehow, because I used to always take their work on for me and then give them back like everything. But it’s interesting, right? How we can do

[00:09:21] Vivienne Gerard: that. I had a moment. So plant medicines were probably my version of BDSM in your journey.

[00:09:27] Vivienne Gerard: Like when plants were introduced and I went, I did ceremony up to ceremony and was just activated so rapidly. And I remember in multiple ceremonies, my energy reading was laser sharp. Like I could just go straight to the core of the thing that the person needed to heal and just tell them what it was.

[00:09:43] Vivienne Gerard: And then that carried over into my work. And I remember as I was learning how to. You can integrate all of this. How do you use these skills and also staying integrity? I was doing a lot of past life work. And there was this one woman I was doing a session with and she had just been stuck in so much physical trauma, a lot of fight or flight.

[00:10:02] Vivienne Gerard: And I went back to the life and I could see where she had been chased by this animal, a wolf or some kind of big animal. And the animal had eaten her in the forest and that was how she died. So this trauma is in her body and in my energy reading, I’m like, Oh, I’ll just clear all of it. So she’s on the other end of the phone hearing me say all these things.

[00:10:24] Vivienne Gerard: I’m reliving the experience and clearing this energy for, and we get finished. And I was like, Oh my gosh, she’s I don’t feel anything. I was like, what do you mean? How do you not feel anything? What you, we, this whole thing just happened. And I went back to the mentor I was studying under and she said, why are you doing that?

[00:10:44] Vivienne Gerard: She has an experience to complete on her own. She has her own journey, her own timing, her own healing, and you think you can shortcut and go in and just clear all the energy for everybody that doesn’t serve them. And it was such a teaching for me. It’s like everybody, myself included, we all have our own timing.

[00:11:02] Vivienne Gerard: We have this beautiful path that our soul has put us on that had you forget for 20 years. Something that when you were ready, you found the tools, the resources, the people, it came back, and now it’s guided you into this path that is your greatest work among all the other great work you do. There’s just a natural movement to it.

[00:11:23] Vivienne Gerard: And I think for a while I had this, I’ll save everybody, belief in my work, and it took a lot of humbling for me to, Just come to the surrender of I’m here for my own experience, and I’m going to do the best I can for myself. And I’m going to trust my own path. And those who are supposed to resonate and work with me will, and it’s not my job to fix them.

[00:11:46] Vivienne Gerard: It’s not my job to do it for them, but it’s something you have to learn, I think, as a healer. And I don’t know that, All healers reach that sort of understanding. I think there’s a striving to change everybody and make them speed up the process that I don’t think is meant to be sped up. I love that.

[00:12:07] Juliette Karaman: I love that. Now, but there is, there’s definitely this whole conditioning that something’s wrong with us. Yes. Yeah. To fix it. So I have to go to you, I have to go to whoever it is, whatever you’re going to teach me is going to fix me. Yes. Yeah. Or whatever I am teaching is going to fix my clients.

[00:12:27] Juliette Karaman: And it’s just what about what you say? We’re all here in our divine timing. I’ve had this with my kids where I have been an over giver extraordinaire. Got divorced from my husband, found a man with three children. We had a household with seven different kids, seven different schools, seven different everything.

[00:12:47] Juliette Karaman: I hadn’t realized that I was like, I know what you need. I look back on it and I’m like Until my body actually told me to stop, and I passed out and was in hospital for nine months, in and out of hospital. But it was like, it actually took that much, and that’s also what’s, some stuff happening with my four children at the moment, and it’s oh.

[00:13:08] Juliette Karaman: Yes, I’m going to be here as much as I can for them, and I’m going to help them, but end of the day, This is how they came in to learn. Yeah.

[00:13:17] Vivienne Gerard: And I think parenting is the ultimate surrender. I think it is the parenting is laying yourself down in humble pie every day because we set these immeasurable Levels of how we’re going to be.

[00:13:33] Vivienne Gerard: We can’t do it. And then our children are watching us run around like little crazy chickens the whole time. This is my experience. Look at us. Like you’re so crazy. What’s wrong with you? Yeah, I think it’s so brave to have children and to be a present conscious parent. It is so courageous. So brave. And yeah, seven.

[00:13:52] Vivienne Gerard: Hello. I had two. Two about did me in. I don’t know how you did seven.

[00:13:57] Juliette Karaman: Yeah we went back to four. Just my own four. Even that’s enough. But it’s interesting where I’ve also noticed that, so I used to work with midlife people a lot, and those were the people that I brought in, and then it was all about sensuality and sexuality, and really like finding pleasure again.

[00:14:18] Juliette Karaman: And then my sister transitioned and I started working or before that I started working with a shaman and then I re remembered my near death experience to help my sister transition, my father, my mother. So that’s a whole different part of a different story. But it just became really broad and all of a sudden all these teenagers and early people in their early 20s started showing up.

[00:14:41] Juliette Karaman: And You’re not my people that I usually work with, but they have all these gifts and they didn’t know what to do with it. And I never call myself a healer because, this is all like working with a shaman and, and learning how to channel, because all of a sudden I, in a ceremony, I was keeping someone grounded and my body shook and I’m like, what is this?

[00:15:05] Juliette Karaman: Go into your Akashic records. I’m like, what is that? He’s do this. And I’m am I like, what world is this? And then all of a sudden you get these young adults that are born with a much more open brain, mind, or they haven’t been shut down as much. And they’re wondering about everything.

[00:15:27] Juliette Karaman: It’s am I going crazy? I mean I’ve had so many people that work with me in that age group that have been massively depressed, have been on antidepressants, thinking that they’re going psychotic and crazy. When you work with them a little bit and they start understanding energy, they start understanding their emotions, because emotions are always like that.

[00:15:46] Juliette Karaman: Body sensations like don’t even know that I live outside my body that within six to seven months, they all come off their antidepressants. This is what life is like. I’m like, this is what it can be like.

[00:15:59] Vivienne Gerard: Yes. Yes. You add COVID to that, the generation of like my son was in high school and my daughter was in college during COVID.

[00:16:07] Vivienne Gerard: And so the isolation and the. And the rules that were put upon them by the school systems and everyone who didn’t know what was happening, They had such a squeeze on their reality and such a halt in their emotional maturity, I believe, because the things they could normally have done at that age, they weren’t able to do.

[00:16:27] Vivienne Gerard: I think we’ve really shifted the way that this generation is now growing up and engaging as adults. So I don’t know. It’s going to be interesting to see why that happened. There’s a reason for it and what that means for the next generations that are moving through. It’s a fascinating time. I think

[00:16:46] Juliette Karaman: it’s super fascinating and how how attuned they are to energy.

[00:16:50] Juliette Karaman: Yeah, I was talking to one of my daughters yesterday and the day before she’s like mommy, because I helped her through some trauma and did some energy work with her and also mind work so that, but you know so that it moves stuff through her body through her mind and then out so that she wasn’t in that place.

[00:17:06] Juliette Karaman: And then say she went into university and someone came up to her said, your energy is just incredible. And can I share something with you and then proceeded to download onto her, in a nice way, she did ask for permission. Then yesterday out of the blue, another university person just.

[00:17:22] Juliette Karaman: Called her and said, Hey, do you have a minute? And can I actually just say something? What’s happened to your energy? You’re just, she’s, she called me. She’s mommy, did you transfer some of your energy into me?

[00:17:34] Juliette Karaman: I’m like, you’ve always had these gifts. You’re just starting to take all the layers that we put on in front of it in front of who we are. You’re just unveiling who you are and people are noticing it. You’ll attract certain people. Okay,

[00:17:49] Vivienne Gerard: I just have to say, this is where I go back to the soul and the contract between the mom and the child.

[00:17:55] Vivienne Gerard: Of course, your children chose you because there’s some gift that they’re supposed to bring through to the world that has energy and body work and pure consciousness. Of course, they chose you. How could you have a child who wasn’t going to have that kind of a path under your care for your child?

[00:18:12] Vivienne Gerard: Their whole life. There’s no way, right? Yeah. What a contract. Have you looked at that with them?

[00:18:19] Juliette Karaman: I actually haven’t too much now because they haven’t really been into it much. So I’ve got two boys and then twin girls and one of the boys and one of them, and this twin, this girl both have dyslexia and they’re very highly gifted.

[00:18:31] Juliette Karaman: All four of them have psychic abilities, but they’re like, of course. So that’s just something that you don’t do either. So I have to just laugh at all the contracts that I came up with, right? I’m like, of course.

[00:18:46] Vivienne Gerard: Yes. My daughter. So my children, when I was raising them, we were, they got a divorce. I say that we all got a divorce when they were five and eight.

[00:18:56] Vivienne Gerard: And so they were back and forth a lot. And. Their dad doesn’t believe a lot of what I believe and the way that I use energy. And so they’d go back and forth between these two realities, which I’m sure your children also, right? And I would just practice what I was learning with my children. I would talk about the body and muscle testing.

[00:19:15] Vivienne Gerard: Louise Hayes, you can heal your life, the app that has all of the information about emotion trapped in the body. And they would absorb it, but then also. Not quite sure what to do with it. And I remember my daughter would go to high school and she would pull out her app at the table at the cafeteria and describe, she would diagnose all the people.

[00:19:35] Vivienne Gerard: people in her friend group with what was wrong with their body. She would read to them from the app what their symptoms were showing them was emotionally wrong with them. And then she’d come home and tell me and I’d process, Oh, I see how that could be a problem in that family because look at what’s going on.

[00:19:47] Vivienne Gerard: And it just became part of the way that they navigate. And I think. Whether we’re aware of it or not, they’re absorbing how we are living, the way that we are living, the work that we are doing. And when it’s the right time for them, whatever their gifts are will be activated because they chose us as mothers for that reason, to have that frequency, that alignment that they could keep coming back to.

[00:20:10] Vivienne Gerard: So I think it’s gonna be amazing to see what your children do.

[00:20:13] Juliette Karaman: I’m really looking forward to it. And the funny thing is that for the longest time, they’re like, mom, it’s all sexuality. Crazy. And now they’re just like, Oh, we’re actually really proud of you. You got a lot of podcasts and Oh, and this, and you’ve been in that magazine and you’ve been in this and that.

[00:20:30] Juliette Karaman: Oh, and the stuff that you actually do is really cool for hypnotherapy and for whatever. And it’s Oh, so just and actually the funny thing is my ex husband we get along really well. He he’s starting to believe much more in this. And he said, you’ve always known this.

[00:20:47] Juliette Karaman: When my brother passed away, he talked to you, you spoke Arabic, although you don’t speak Arabic. You came and spoke in Arabic with my mother’s voice, who’s been dead for forever. It’s and I was like, don’t know how to do this.

[00:21:00] Vivienne Gerard: You can feel the energy just when you say them. Yeah, that’s amazing.

[00:21:04] Juliette Karaman: Yeah. So I’m also, I feel, I don’t see or hear so much, but I’m just all about feeling and yeah.

[00:21:12] Vivienne Gerard: So amazing. Yeah. I’m curious to see where my children take it also. I think right now they’re on the path of graduating, getting jobs, becoming adults, working out relationship stuff, figuring out how to pay bills, how to live independently.

[00:21:26] Vivienne Gerard: But once all that’s figured out, I just have a sense they’re going to have some really curious experiences because they’ll be ready for it.

[00:21:33] Juliette Karaman: Yeah, it’s interesting. Also, just like for me it’s really interesting to see how neurodiverse people, how much more open they are. I’m talking about my children, I’m talking about some of the clients that I’ve worked with and how they can sense energy much more clearly than people that brains are wired like to do.

[00:21:55] Juliette Karaman: I don’t want to say that normal and abnormal, but just like in the way that most people think about it. And then we just like, all of a sudden you see things that they notice. I’m like, Oh, isn’t that interesting? I’m like, I’m really excited about How science is going to actually show us stuff like this.

[00:22:13] Vivienne Gerard: I believe more people though are going to start having these sort of neurodivergent experiences. I think it’s going to become more normal. And my hope is it happened in our lifetime. Like it’s just commonplace that you’re going to. Open up your crown chakra and receive a download and have a vision and heal a past life and reconnect with the future version of yourself.

[00:22:35] Vivienne Gerard: And that’s just what you do, right? And then you just share that story because those are the stories that we’re all talking about. It’s not weird. It’s normal. This is what we do. And I think it’s not that far off it. I know it’s already happening, but I think it’s going to become more and more mainstream and that excites me.

[00:22:49] Vivienne Gerard: Like that version of humanity. Super

[00:22:52] Juliette Karaman: excites me and it doesn’t need to be old people anymore that do this, that are the gurus and bring it down. They’re actually some really beautiful youngsters that are talking about this openly and really recognizing and also the connection to the earth that they have.

[00:23:07] Juliette Karaman: Yes.

[00:23:08] Vivienne Gerard: Yes, absolutely. And music. I’m so amazed at some of the sounds and the creations that are coming through. I’m noticing more with young men, but I think it’s all young people. There’s just a creative energy that’s palpable.

[00:23:23] Juliette Karaman: Isn’t it beautiful? Oh, how cool. How cool. Oh my God. We could jam on this forever.

[00:23:29] Juliette Karaman: Absolutely. So tell me, people. Listening to this, most of them will have an idea of what we’re talking about, but if someone is really new to this and they’re just like, I know that I’ve been on a path, something is changing in me. What are like three core things that you would say start looking at this and start?

[00:23:51] Vivienne Gerard: The first thing I say to anybody is trust the signs. Like trust that your intuition is showing you a path and you are the one with the breadcrumbs. There’s nobody else who’s going to tell you how your awakening or remembering or, process is going to unfold. Like you are the one who determines that and When we trust the first step, it takes us into whatever we’re supposed to learn and understand.

[00:24:14] Vivienne Gerard: And then that shows us the next step. And then as we follow that, it takes us and we create these beautiful little paths. And later we look back, it’s amazing. We couldn’t have designed it better than that. So that would be what I’d say first. The second, meditation, I think there’s so many ways to talk about it or to practice it, to understand it.

[00:24:35] Vivienne Gerard: I find meditation to me is when you’re able to find a practice for yourself where you can quiet the mind. You’re not telling it to go away or telling it to shut up. You’re just quieting the noise of it and allowing the mind to observe what is happening. And then you’re paying attention to what’s going on in your body.

[00:24:54] Vivienne Gerard: You become very present with the experiences of your body, the places that feel stuck, the places that feel open. And I find when we develop a practice for ourselves, whatever it is, where the mind isn’t noisy and the body is speaking, all of a sudden the soul starts to come through. And when the soul comes through, I think sometimes people assume it’s the mind and try to shut it down or dismiss it because what it’s showing you is so big or so beautiful.

[00:25:24] Vivienne Gerard: It must just be a dream or now you’re fantasizing and that’s not real. But I feel like when we just create a practice and the mind and the body and the soul are just harmonizing, the soul is so consistent. You can’t deny what it starts to show you. And then the soul starts to guide the process because you pay attention.

[00:25:43] Vivienne Gerard: And then the clearer the steps become in the little path that you’re mandarin through. So whatever meditation practice I think calls to someone, just start, just give it a try and stick with it and try a new one. And eventually you’ll find a way for you where the mind, the body, the soul are in harmony, and then.

[00:26:02] Vivienne Gerard: You can do anything from there. You can do anything. And then community would probably be my third thing. Find community because there’s when so much is shifting and like you were describing you, something’s about to pop in your awareness. You’re about to break through some old limitation and you actually do perhaps, and you move through that level or you have that awareness in the aftermath.

[00:26:25] Vivienne Gerard: I think we can start to question that it was even real. Or we can question that the experience was a crazy thing that our mind has made up or our body has just suddenly manifested. When we have a community around us, I feel like we’re able to bring that into a safe space, have conversation, normalize these crazy experiences, and then be witnessed.

[00:26:48] Vivienne Gerard: Like you were describing with your friends that you had the retreat. It brought you this clarity that allowed you to deliver this beautiful podcast about your story. Thank you. Would you have done that with that community? We don’t know.

[00:26:59] Juliette Karaman: I was like, I think everyone understood. I’ve talked about it multiple times.

[00:27:04] Juliette Karaman: They’re like, not in that way. Oh, okay. Thank you. Yeah. And that then is part of integration again, right? Absolutely. I would say that’s probably one of the things that I see when people start doing sacred medicine flat medicine, other things, and meditation that they constantly want more and quicker and quicker.

[00:27:26] Juliette Karaman: And it almost becomes that fix. It’s give it to me.

[00:27:29] Vivienne Gerard: You’re absolutely right. You’re absolutely right. And it can spin someone out. Dramatically spin them out. Yeah. And it’s hard to come back from that when your consciousness is taking you so far out here, but your life is over here. It’s hard to bring them back into harmony again.

[00:27:45] Vivienne Gerard: Yeah.

[00:27:45] Juliette Karaman: And that’s where really, I would say integration in a community, in where like minded people are like holding each other and then Hey, it’s okay. Or giving you a little adjustment saying, Hey, have you thought of this?

[00:27:58] Juliette Karaman: And I think it’s also one of our core things that we want. We don’t want to be alone. We don’t want to, we don’t want to be lonely. We want to know that we’re not the only one out there feeling this.

[00:28:10] Vivienne Gerard: Yes. Yes. And I think it’s very easy to be lonely, even if you’re in relationship or communities that aren’t at the same awareness you’re at, or don’t have the same desire to evolve.

[00:28:21] Vivienne Gerard: If you’re wanting to evolve, you can still feel lonely, even if you’re with lots of people. So it’s finding the right community. It’s finding the ones that really want to hear what you’re experiencing and want to go on that journey with you. Like that. Bye. It’s very different. You know what I mean.

[00:28:38] Juliette Karaman: Completely. And that actually brings us to partners. How do you deal with a partner who’s like a lawyer and yeah, I’m not sure about this stuff. And we seem to attract those kind of people. Oh my gosh. Like most of us like that are a little bit out there and the, the partners are just like, yeah we understand a little bit of it, but it’s otherwise you wouldn’t be with us if you did that.

[00:28:59] Juliette Karaman: I

[00:28:59] Vivienne Gerard: told my husband that. I’m like, you love my magic. You might not understand it, but you love my magic. And it’s what makes me. So yeah, but my husband told me a long time ago, this is my second husband. And it was after I learned to read energy and he made a really clear role. He’s do not read my energy.

[00:29:15] Vivienne Gerard: Do not go into my space and look at all the things I’m me, you’re you do your work, I do my work, don’t interfere in my space. And so every once in a while, he’ll say can you muscle test that for me? Can you check this for me? But most of the time, he’s really happy to be his own person. And he’s happy to let me be my own person.

[00:29:32] Vivienne Gerard: And sometimes I think, We want the community depth and spiritual understanding from our partner and maybe that’s not where we get that. Yeah. Is that how you experience it too?

[00:29:46] Juliette Karaman: Yeah. For me it’s, it was beautiful this weekend also where I was in such a light response that the next day my body was shaking and he’s what do I do?

[00:29:55] Juliette Karaman: What do I do? I’m like, Just hold me and just be here, just witnessing because my body is actually just completing that trauma cycle. And that’s all I can let it do. But to have someone that’s not going to be like, Oh, yes, do that and open your chakra. Not really been helpful. And at that moment, he was just like, his energy grounded as anything.

[00:30:18] Juliette Karaman: And I was like, Okay, such a safe space. So I can move things through.

[00:30:24] Vivienne Gerard: Yeah, help me. Tell me about him. I don’t know a lot. I just remember when you got engaged and you had that beautiful green ring. I’m like, oh my gosh. Yeah. Can you tell us a little bit about him?

[00:30:33] Juliette Karaman: Alex is, he’s a Kiwi, so he is from New Zealand and he’s a lawyer.

[00:30:38] Juliette Karaman: He’s a corporate lawyer. So he is very, he’s very cerebral. But then he’s also, he’s also ballet dancer and he’s a classical guitarist, so he has all the magic in it in him. And actually knows how to read energy quite well. But I think he’s just a bit less vocal about it. How did you meet?

[00:30:58] Juliette Karaman: We met on on, on, on,

[00:31:00] Vivienne Gerard: on. Of course you did. I

[00:31:04] Juliette Karaman: wasn’t even all on that to meet anyone. And it was like, and also magically, because I had put eight miles in and he lived like 48 or 50 miles away from me. So I’m like, how did this happen?

[00:31:17] Vivienne Gerard: That’s amazing. When I was listening to your accent, are you Irish originally?

[00:31:22] Vivienne Gerard: I’m Dutch. Dutch. Oh, there was this little part I couldn’t understand. I’m like, where is she from? I couldn’t remember. My

[00:31:29] Juliette Karaman: grandfather was Dutch. Ah,

[00:31:32] Vivienne Gerard: funny. Way back. My grandfather was from Denmark and my grandmother was from Australia and they were, they met in South Africa. And then my dad is American. My mom is South African and they met in South Africa.

[00:31:44] Vivienne Gerard: And suddenly here I am in Cincinnati, Ohio. Not quite sure.

[00:31:49] Juliette Karaman: Meandering, right? Where there is that meandering of cultures of people, how the energy just takes us to places.

[00:31:58] Vivienne Gerard: Yes. And both of my husbands are Cincinnati people. Like they live here, they’re always going to I think they’re always going to live here. Like they’re proud of their Cincinnati roots. And there’s all this stuff that comes in from my side.

[00:32:10] Vivienne Gerard: It’s just funny how it works.

[00:32:12] Juliette Karaman: I love this, but I love this whole intermingling and then the wires just get slightly crossed and then get crossed again and then everything flows and it’s just wonderful. My kids are half Palestinian, half, a quarter Palestinian, quarter Lebanese and then half Dutch and live in England.

[00:32:31] Juliette Karaman: So it’s a mixture all over the place. Sometimes it’s a little bit of a mindfuck because there’s so many different cultures running through them and through me and but it’s okay so of course this was our soul chose to come in now with what’s happening in the world and actually to get to hold space that everyone Can evolve and that you know that we can actually all live in peace and then and be find this kindness find the heart again for each other.

[00:33:01] Vivienne Gerard: Yeah, I had this beautiful awareness in my meditation yesterday about the duality because yesterday Chiron moved in. Chiron is conjunct the north node. which is very much our wound and our life purpose coming together. And so I was sitting in meditation going, what is my deepest wound? If I were to actually peel back the layers even further than what I already have, what is the wound?

[00:33:22] Vivienne Gerard: And what I could feel was the duality as a child being, My dad’s American. He doesn’t fit in and we live in South Africa, but my mom belongs, my dad doesn’t. And then when I was 10 and a half, when we moved, I’m the South African girl who doesn’t fit in, but my American dad fits in, my South African mom does.

[00:33:39] Vivienne Gerard: It’s this constant one foot in one foot out. And are you part of it or not part of it? And how do we transcend that wound into a gift? And this is my work. My work is we’re infinite and we’re embodied. We’re from. the other realms, but we’re here and we’re having a human experience. And so we’re always one foot in one foot out.

[00:33:59] Vivienne Gerard: And how do we walk with that? How do we embrace that? And it’s just this beautiful moment. When you, I know, you get those downloads, you’re just like, this is the answer to everything right here. This one nugget that just came through. This is it. Okay, and now I’m going to go and drive with my husband and we’re going to do taxes and then we’re going to clean the house.

[00:34:18] Vivienne Gerard: We’re going to make dinner. We’ll have a drink. That’s all.

[00:34:22] Juliette Karaman: That’s how it is. It’s oh, wow. And then you try to look at the words and people just look at you going, vivian, I love this and I love the work that you’re doing. How can people find you? How can they get more of you? How can they become part of your world? Let us know.

[00:34:40] Vivienne Gerard: Thank you. I’m on Instagram. So infinite embodiment in Gaia is my business account. I have a website, VivianGirard. com, that has all kinds of Everything.

[00:34:51] Vivienne Gerard: I have a community called The Practicum, which is a year of walking together in all different levels. And I do activation sessions. So if someone is trying to remember or, understand why they’re here. If there’s conflict that you’re just trying to move your way through it, the activation session, it feels a little bit, maybe like your spinal attunement that you do, but it’s an activation into the next expression of yourself.

[00:35:15] Vivienne Gerard: There’s all kinds of ways. I have a podcast called guy is love where I just ramble about my human experience.

[00:35:20] Juliette Karaman: I love it. Oh my goodness. So everything will be in the show notes.

[00:35:25] Vivienne Gerard: Julian. Thank you for this. Oh, it’s

[00:35:27] Juliette Karaman: been absolutely wonderful having you. Thank you so much for coming on. And please listeners, share this with if Vivian has really touched your heart, touch your soul.

[00:35:38] Juliette Karaman: There’s something that you’re like, Oh, someone else needs to hear this. Please share this with them because we’ll be activating someone else. Yes.

[00:35:47] Vivienne Gerard: Thank you. Thank you so much. Love.

[00:35:49] Juliette Karaman: Absolutely. Wonderful. Having you much love.

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