Episode 66 Embrace Your Erotic Sovereignty: Navigating Tantra and Personal Growth with Lauren Harkness

On: Feb 23, 2024

Good morning, good afternoon, good evening, wherever you are, and hello to another episode of The Scrumptious Woman! Joining me today is the radiant Lauren Harkness, a Tantra facilitator and educator, shamanic bodyworker, and journey facilitator.


In this episode, Lauren shares her profound journey into Tantra, weaving together the essence of erotic life force energy with spiritual connection. Tantra, she explains, is a deeply transformative practice that encompasses personal growth, interpersonal relationships, and transpersonal impact. Through breath, sound, movement, meditation, and offerings to deities, Tantra fosters a shift in consciousness that ripples through personal, relational, and global spheres. Lauren highlights the importance of embracing all aspects of oneself, including the shadow, and shares her own pivotal moment of realizing her calling to teach Tantra after the 2016 U.S. presidential election.

Key Takeaways:

Tantra as Transformation: Tantra is more than a practice; it’s a lifestyle that fosters deep connection with oneself, others, and the world.
Embracing Wholeness: Integrating light and shadow aspects of the self leads to personal growth and profound transformation.
The Call to Authenticity: Embracing one’s true calling often requires stepping out of comfort zones and facing fears.
Community Support: Finding like-minded community members can provide invaluable encouragement and support during times of change and transformation.
Boundaries in Teaching: Maintaining clear boundaries is essential for teachers and students in Tantra communities to ensure safety and respect.

Join Juliette and Lauren as they delve into the transformative power of Tantra and the journey towards authenticity and empowerment.

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The Scrumptious Woman EP66

[00:00:00] Juliette Karaman: Good morning, good afternoon, good evening, wherever you are and hello to another episode of The Scrumptious Woman. And with me I have the gorgeous Lauren Harkness, who is definitely scrumptious, the embodiment of scrumptiousness. She is a Tantra facilitator and educator, a shamanic body worker, a journey facilitator.

[00:00:25] Juliette Karaman: speaker and stands for people’s freedom, sexuality and empowerment in co creating their life with spirit and lots of other things. That is quite a mouthful, my love.

[00:00:39] Lauren Harkness: I have a very enthusiastic approach to life, which means I study a lot of things.

[00:00:45] Juliette Karaman: And that’s what I love. People that, that come on the show often, they don’t have just one thing that they dabble with.

[00:00:52] Juliette Karaman: It’s been like a journey, right? And I know that your journey has been, I see you wearing your jewelry. I’m wearing some of your beautiful jewelry. That is maybe part that people don’t know about you, that you’re also a jewelry designer. That’s, I think, before your whole tantra and shamanism, plant medicine, priestess work.

Tell me, Tantra shows up a lot for you, and can you I was asked the definition of Tantra the other day, but mine will be very different from yours.

[00:01:26] Juliette Karaman: So can you explain really how you got into Tantra? What does Tantra mean to you?

[00:01:31] Lauren Harkness: Yes, I can absolutely do that. I love this question because you’re right. If you had 300 practicing Tantrikas in a room, you would have 300 different answers for What is Tantra to you? And for me it’s, the Sanskrit word means weaving.

[00:01:51] Lauren Harkness: And for me, it’s about weaving this erotic life force energy that sits at the base of our spine up through our chakras. And it’s like a deep connection with the primal parts of us and spirit connected in the heart and expressed through love. And. It is a consciousness shifting lifestyle practice because as you practice breath, sound, movement, meditation making offerings to the deities, you start to subtly shift who you are and then your life transforms.

[00:02:32] Lauren Harkness: And For me, I like to think of kind of these three spheres of influence that we have are a personal path, like our solo practice. I think it’s really important for everyone to have a solo practice. It’s about developing a relationship with yourself and your body and your spirit. and the earth. And then as we do our personal work, then it ripples out to the second sphere of influence, which is our interpersonal relationships.

[00:03:00] Lauren Harkness: And as we shift personally, then of course our relationships around us naturally shift. And then the final sphere of influence is transpersonal. So how does the personal work that you do and when you practice Tantra with others, then affect the larger, greater world? And my hope is that through All of us who feel called to this path, because it’s not for everyone, whoever feels called that, that we naturally start to shift the world towards more inclusion, belonging, feelings of oneness and care for ourselves and the planet.

[00:03:39] Lauren Harkness: And so while that could sound grandiose. It really starts from the personal and those personal shifts have a big effect on everything.

[00:03:50] Juliette Karaman: And it’s so interesting, right? Because everything always comes back to the self, right? If we are at war with ourselves, then we’re going to be at war with the world.

[00:04:01] Juliette Karaman: And we notice what’s happening in the world. We just see that a lot of people are at war with themselves. Yes. Difficult to see that unity, to see that oneness, because it’s all very easy when life is going and you’re like, oh yes, I can believe that we’re all well and all one, but when there’s some stuff happening and your family’s getting killed or whatever it is if it’s really difficult to come back to compassion and love and that beautiful heart energy.

[00:04:31] Juliette Karaman: It

[00:04:31] Lauren Harkness: really is. It’s I think Tantra for me has really shown me that light and shadow equal balance. It’s about collapsing polarities, masculine, feminine, within, without, light, shadow, all of these things are a part of our wholeness. And I think, as I’ve worked with people around their sexuality, anything that is fragmented or pushed away, acts out sideways in your life, and so if we repress our sexuality, that’s when we develop problems in relating or, the shadow side comes out. Whereas if we embrace, All of ourselves, all parts of ourselves with wholeness, then our shadow sides can illuminate what needs attention and can become an ally and can become, a part of the team of you that’s attempting to do this life well.

[00:05:28] Lauren Harkness: But it is difficult because, looking at those places I’ve really found plant medicine work to be so helpful in illuminating that and in helping with that integration. Because otherwise then it’s always fragmented outside of yourself. And, I think it’s a lifelong journey, at least for me anyway, this path is a lifelong journey.

[00:05:51] Juliette Karaman: It’s definitely not a quick fix, right? And I hear so many people saying, Oh, we’re going to this Tantra festival or we’re going to do some Tantra for a weekend. I’m like, okay, have fun. And then they’ll come back and they’re like, Oh my God, I cried and I danced and I had fun and I didn’t know I could feel this much.

[00:06:11] Juliette Karaman: I’m like. And I think that’s you talked about this last time is the core of everything is really feeling that felt sense, the body sensations in the body the emotions that, that move through you really the totality of what we are, not just flesh bodies, but everything that comes along with it.

[00:06:33] Juliette Karaman: Yeah.

[00:06:34] Lauren Harkness: Oh, I love these kinds of conversations. This is like what I live for because, it’s for me now it has developed into a way of life and a practice that is, you know, ongoing and it’s fun to connect with other people who also are exploring these places within themselves.

[00:06:54] Juliette Karaman: Completely. And I love to think back at how we met in a coaching program.

[00:07:00] Juliette Karaman: I’d fly over to New York every month for six or seven months and you’d be there. And I was like, Oh my God, who’s this sparkly, incredible woman. And I got. Most incredible custom made Julia by you as well. That was incredible. And actually, I remember that practice that we did, where it was always, they always looked down on Tantra.

[00:07:22] Juliette Karaman: It’s it’s not Tantra. And I was just like, oh, that’s actually showing us the duality, where again this is not good. And what we’re doing is better, so that’s where the attention needs to be. And when I think, both of us and a lot of other people came out of it and actually just learned about all these other things that life have to offer, and just saw that if you have charge with or against one, then you’re not free. Then you can’t have choice.

[00:07:50] Lauren Harkness: It’s such a deep piece of wisdom you just spoke. It’s I’ve always, I think, naturally felt that truth of a certain acceptance and the more I’ve explored kind of duality in life and the more I’ve been led to see that it is all the same in a way. And I agree with you, I’ve always really adored teachers and leaders who were inclusive and wanted students to.

[00:08:22] Lauren Harkness: Study, and to expand themselves and, the very essence of our life force has so many expressions of course, there are so many expressions to explore.

[00:08:35] Juliette Karaman: Completely. Now, I remember last time you told me when exactly you got the call to really be teaching this much.

[00:08:46] Juliette Karaman: Much more deeply. I knew that you were going through courses and giving a lot of these courses, but not quite at the depth that you’re doing this now. What was the shift?

[00:08:58] Lauren Harkness: Oh, I loved remembering this. Story. Yes. It’s, it was on the eve of Hillary Clinton winning the presidential election in the United States.

[00:09:10] Lauren Harkness: And I have an apartment that overlooks the Javits Center where she was having her party. And my apartment was wall to wall with people just packed and we were all ready to toast her. And then this like descending grief came over us as we realized what was happening. And so when Trump was elected, that was the key moment for me.

[00:09:35] Lauren Harkness: I spent four days on my floor crying.

[00:09:38] Lauren Harkness: I woke up with this just insight download directive from Spirit that said you have to do this work. Like you have to come out now. That was the real call. You have to come out. You have to be visible. The world needs this. No more hiding. And I had been hiding behind my jewelry brand doing my work on the side and So that’s what I did.

[00:10:02] Lauren Harkness: I started advertising. I called my family. I told them that, my purpose is to support people’s healing and awakening sexually and that, clearing sexual trauma from the body is a part of my work. And ever since then, my career has taken off and I’ve had the pleasure and opportunity to support hundreds and thousands of people.

[00:10:26] Lauren Harkness: And I just, I feel really blessed.

[00:10:30] Juliette Karaman: So beautiful. So you said you heard a calling. Was it like more in your body? Was it actually a voice? How did that show up for you?

[00:10:40] Juliette Karaman: Was it a voice talking? Did you hear it? Did you see it? Did you speak it? What happened? So a lot of people have gotten some kind of this, but so they can understand too.

[00:10:50] Lauren Harkness: Yeah, that’s a great question. I would say it happened piece by piece because the first real click of felt sense awareness that I was meant to do this work was giving my first hands on session, actually.

[00:11:03] Lauren Harkness: And the person started crying and it was like my body just took over and knew what to do. I knew how to move their body to support more emotional release so that they could feel at peace. And I felt like this sense that. something was working through me, and I, that’s really when I felt like, oh, I meant to do this.

[00:11:23] Lauren Harkness: That was, I was a jewelry designer and that moment happened. I was studying my sexuality for my own pleasure and my own purposes. And then giving that session really helped me see That, that I was meant to do this. And then I started working one on one with people for a long time. And I started teaching, but I was hiding behind my jewelry brand because this work is taboo.

[00:11:46] Lauren Harkness: It’s not easy. It’s not for the faint of heart. You receive a lot of judgment from other people. And so I was grappling with that inside of myself and navigating this career that was being born inside of me. And then Donald Trump was elected and. I was just devastated by that. And then, and spent four days on the floor just crying and, feeling grief.

[00:12:10] Lauren Harkness: And then I woke up, and it was a message. It was like, you, it was a command, really. It was like, you have to stop hiding. The world needs this work, it’s time to be visible. And so I did. I started putting my classes out there publicly. I called my family to let them know that, I had this bigger purpose in life and everything started evolving from there.

[00:12:35] Lauren Harkness: But it really was that moment of devastation that kind of. lit a fire under my ass, so to speak, and I haven’t really looked back since.

[00:12:45] Juliette Karaman: It’s so beautiful, right? And oftentimes we have to almost get to a point, it’s hey, wake up, do something. And I love where you said that you actually had your hands on someone.

[00:12:55] Juliette Karaman: This is how I do my best work, and that’s why I love VIP days, because I can actually get my hands on someone. Of course, in a remote session also, but it’s different. Yeah, even my kids at one point were like, Mommy why is there so much heat from your hands? What’s happening there?

[00:13:10] Juliette Karaman: How did your family take it?

[00:13:13] Lauren Harkness: I was actually very surprised. My mom and I started having really interesting conversations about orgasms and menopause. And my aunt was there actually, when I told them, my aunt had come to visit, my mom was here in New York. And so I sat them down and told them, and we had this amazing conversation about orgasms.

[00:13:32] Lauren Harkness: And I was like, wow. Oh, this is great. I’ve been afraid of judgment. And we don’t talk much about my work. My family is very conservative and they have said to me, we love you. We don’t understand, but we want you to be happy. And so I respect that and feel their blessing. And I do my work and love my family.

[00:13:57] Lauren Harkness: And so it’s really been quite freeing actually to go through that portal that I was so scared to go through.

[00:14:04] Juliette Karaman: And it’s such a good way to show people to show others that you don’t always have to be afraid. What would be one tip? If someone is in the same position, it doesn’t have to be tantra, it doesn’t have to be sexuality, but they’re like, they’re coming out with something, and they’re a little bit afraid.

[00:14:19] Juliette Karaman: What would be one of your, if you were your younger self, what would you have told her?

[00:14:25] Lauren Harkness: I would have I would tell her what I did and I was blessed with, which was find community of like minded people. Because if you’re about to make a big change in your life or you’re on a precipice of something like this, the people who know you and love you from where you have been oftentimes they’re naysaying or their concern is really care about you.

[00:14:50] Lauren Harkness: Because when we make these big changes in life, there’s a lot that is. in disruption and like tumultuousness and so often that voice of Caution might that might be coming from your loved ones is really meant to care for you. . And so if you want the courage to push through the part of you that is in resistance to this thing that’s calling you, having like-minded community around you is invaluable because they will say to you, yeah, go for it.

[00:15:22] Lauren Harkness: I know you might be taking a risk. I know this might be scary. You might go through really hard times because often you do. , that’s life. But having people say, yes, you can do this. That’s everything.

[00:15:36] Juliette Karaman: And that’s it, right? We’ve got you. If you need a shoulder to cry on, if you need some emotional release, if you just want someone to hug you while you’re going through this, we’re here.

[00:15:46] Juliette Karaman: Exactly. Yeah, communities is such a big piece of it, right? And finding, and it doesn’t have to be one community. You can be in lots of different, you could have lots of different friends who might not intermingle, but Yeah, together, separately, but together they have your back.

[00:16:03] Lauren Harkness: Absolutely.

[00:16:04] Lauren Harkness: We’re not

[00:16:05] Juliette Karaman: doing this alone. Completely. Yeah, I think that’s one of the biggest things from this last century where we’ve become so, such loners. Yeah. We live in our concrete boxes. We were not in tents anymore. We’re not in caves anymore where we all had jobs and where we all interdependent on each other.

[00:16:26] Juliette Karaman: And now it’s either very codependent or it’s no, I don’t want to have anything to do with you. And after the whole COVID affairs, like people get scared of each other. It’s Oh, I could get killed just by knowing you. Oh my gosh. It’s been a lot of fear these last four years. I feel the

[00:16:42] Lauren Harkness: truth, a lot of survival, a lot of.

[00:16:45] Lauren Harkness: Everyone going through their own

[00:16:46] Juliette Karaman: survival. Completely.

[00:16:49] Lauren Harkness: Yeah. I’m curious. I want to know the same question from you. If you were to tell your younger self or one tip, what would it be?

[00:16:57] Juliette Karaman: Do it. Just. Be your authentic self. Yeah. You’re going to get love, you’re going to get hate, whatever. It’s just be it.

[00:17:07] Juliette Karaman: Shine as brightly as you can. Yeah. People are always going to try and dim your light and say that you’re wrong or say that you’re fat or you’re ugly or you’re this or you’re that or you’re too much or you’re too beautiful. It’s just do you. It’s do you, boo. Yeah.

[00:17:23] Lauren Harkness: Stay in your own lane and go for it.

[00:17:25] Juliette Karaman: Totally, and I know we hear this so much in the personal development world but I think there are so many women, men, whatever gender out there just hearing this and they’re like, oh god, okay, again, I’m hearing it again but from someone else. And maybe in a slightly different way it’s and maybe this time the 562 or 66 time it’s actually landing it’s it’s landing in my body in a way that I’m like oh I can do me.

[00:17:57] Juliette Karaman: Yes.

[00:17:57] Lauren Harkness: I love this quote from Steve Jobs and I quote it a lot because my path has not been linear. I could not have thought, God, how long now? Ten years? Longer? 15 years ago when I started exploring all of this, like I couldn’t have said to myself, I’d like to go live in New York city and start teaching, around the world and helping people in this way.

[00:18:25] Lauren Harkness: Like I, it just, it never would have crossed my mind as even a possibility. And so it following desire as a life path has been an unfolding adventure of just. Doing the next right step. So this quote from Steve Jobs, he says, you can’t trace the dots forward, only backwards. And I think about that a lot because, if someone’s listening to this and hearing, just do you be yourself for the 453rd time, but it hits them in that.

[00:18:54] Lauren Harkness: way where they make a change or they go off and find their next right thing. It’s awesome,

[00:18:59] Juliette Karaman: that’s what it needs. It can just be that one little sprout where that one little seed it’s like, Oh, I planted that long time ago, but now I can actually see that it is. Starting to come to fruition.

[00:19:12] Juliette Karaman: I’m actually understanding what these are talking about. And I love where you said 15 years ago. Wow. So Mama Gina was a big part of your starting this whole journey, right?

[00:19:23] Lauren Harkness: My first teacher. Yep. My first teacher and I’m so blessed to call her my friend now and yeah, I reflect a lot with her like just about my journey and studying with her like she was the first person who really gave me permission to follow my pussy and listen to that part of myself and to develop a relationship with it.

[00:19:45] Lauren Harkness: And to be bold and to, and yeah, that, like, when I say find like minded community, like that was for me, everything, because I would hear women standing up in an auditorium talking about being leaders in community or being polyamorous or having wealth and, being business owners. And I was a 27 year old nanny in Seattle, those things were just way outside my ballpark, but her work helped me see like the seed of every desire is outpictured, like if you hear someone talking about something and you get that spark of Oh, Sometimes it comes up as envy or jealousy when really what that is actually showing you desire and a possibility that you can actually have and live into.

[00:20:33] Lauren Harkness: And all of those things that I heard way back in the beginning that might have triggered me or excited me have come true. And It was all from that work and I’m so blessed and so grateful to have studied with her.

[00:20:49] Juliette Karaman: Isn’t it incredible? She’s such a force of nature. It’s incredible. I love that woman.

[00:20:54] Juliette Karaman: Yes. And it’s been beautiful to watch her journey, to watch your journey. I didn’t actually know that you were a nanny. Yeah for people that are listening, just saying, okay, so you were a nanny 15 odd years ago, and all of a sudden, and now you are traveling worldwide, teaching people on Tantra, on their sexuality, on their relationships, on how to be more fully present with the world.

[00:21:18] Juliette Karaman: Yeah. Have a beautiful house upstate New York, communing with nature. Doing medicine, plant medicine journeys. Wow that’s quite the turnaround. It

[00:21:28] Lauren Harkness: really is. It really is. And, as I mentioned I couldn’t have forecasted it. It came from following desire and, that, it, I think it is trepidatious for people in our culture to make that shift if they haven’t yet because it is about the unknown because every time you confront a desire you have to say goodbye to parts of you that have expired and welcome new parts of you that you have to learn how To have and to be, and that is required at every step and every turn, so you are always in a state of change, and that’s not comfortable, but it’s so rewarding and it’s so exciting.

[00:22:14] Juliette Karaman: And it’s interesting because I have four kids and two of them are quite dyslexic, and especially my dyslexic boy who’s now 24. He doesn’t like change. A lot of us don’t like change. Yet, the only thing that we know is that life is full of changes, and change is constant, it’s never one second later, since I’ve said this, it’s already changed.

[00:22:37] Juliette Karaman: He grips on so tightly, and when I used to be a SENCO, a Special Educational Needs Coordinator, I noticed this with neurodivergent kids that I used to teach. That you’re like no, we want the same. Yeah. We want the same strategy every single time. Can you just give us a formula that will work every time?

[00:22:56] Juliette Karaman: I’m like, I will try my best so that you can fill in the blanks so that you can use your own formula that works for you. Because I can give you my formula. But that might, and that’s my formula now, but my formula in three minutes time with my, different. So let’s find something that works for you.

[00:23:15] Lauren Harkness: I love that. I love that approach. It’s so beautiful. How does it help?

[00:23:20] Juliette Karaman: Don’t we do this in, in, in coaching as well? And in tantra and sexuality, right? We just make it personal to the person themselves.

[00:23:30] Lauren Harkness: Yeah, it’s really true. Like just reflecting back and supporting people and hearing their own wisdom.

[00:23:37] Juliette Karaman: That’s it? That is truly it. Now I wanted to take it just a little bit to Tantra again. I have a lot of friends that have had some Negative experiences in Tantra communities, and I’m not going to say which ones, but I was talking to Alex, my partner about this today, where there’s been a lot of transference.

[00:24:00] Juliette Karaman: There’s been, some difficulty between teachers and students or not difficult, some crossover, some boundary crossing. And I know that who you studied with is very strict. So I’m just curious, what do you think about this? What do you think about this energy leakage? Oh, I

[00:24:17] Lauren Harkness: do think it’s problematic.

[00:24:19] Lauren Harkness: It’s really,

[00:24:20] Lauren Harkness: I think as a teacher you have a responsibility because you are holding for someone and that responsibility requires a lot of care and we’re all human. So we’re all going to make mistakes, we’re all going to falter. But I think, being sexually involved with your students is just not wise.

[00:24:46] Lauren Harkness: and not careful because transference does happen and there’s a power dynamic already in place. And that power dynamic, it touches on all the inner child wounds. I recommend, if you’re a teacher or holding a place of power, fire your students or fire your clients if you want to date them.

[00:25:13] Lauren Harkness: And don’t intermingle and don’t mix those because it, it is, It’s just, yeah, it produces a lot of pain.

[00:25:23] Juliette Karaman: I mean I’ve seen when I’ve been teaching and holding others people like project on you like you’re some kind of guru and I’m like, I’m just human. The moment that you can feel it, and I’ll feel it like, it’s like, Oh, am I leaking any sexual energy?

[00:25:39] Juliette Karaman: And in the beginning of when I was teaching it, probably, I’ll be honest. I’m like, yeah, maybe that wasn’t as clean and I didn’t mean it, it would just leak out, but really to be very strict and also safe from the beginning. So this is what’s going to happen. This is what it’s going to be.

[00:25:54] Juliette Karaman: If I coach other coaches and therapists, if I take them through the certifications, like it’s in. All the documents, really well documented, saying like if any of the teachers want to have any relationships with you, it’s three years after you’ve been. It’s give yourself that time. Yeah.

[00:26:12] Juliette Karaman: Anyway just, I like having my boundaries. I’ve noticed that is actually just quite important.

[00:26:17] Lauren Harkness: I think so too. And I know we’ve come from a shared background and as I’ve studied with many teachers, I always say to my students too I am a human. I have shadow. I have light, take what works.

[00:26:30] Lauren Harkness: Please leave the rest. I’m here for conversation because if it’s, if someone is presenting this is the only way it’s just, There’s a nightmare there waiting to happen. And so you’re right. If someone is, it’s hard because the pedestal does exist and then the crash is very painful, so I try to lead with my humanity and with my vulnerability as much as I can, because that’s what the, I’ve always trusted my teachers. By leading from example with their vulnerability, like that produces a lot of trust.

[00:27:05] Juliette Karaman: Completely. I think it’s probably the most authentic way, and I know that authenticity is really high up in one of our core values, right?

[00:27:16] Juliette Karaman: Both you and me. Talk us through the work that you now do. It’s mostly women?

[00:27:22] Lauren Harkness: Yes, actually. Right now it is. I do work with men. I also work with couples. And my partner and I are going to start teaching couples workshops together soon. Nice! Yeah, I’m looking forward to that. But my class containers are mostly women. I have We have an eight week series called Erotic Sovereignty, which is a journey through the chakras and we learn how to move stuck energy and trauma that might be lodged in our bodies as well as awaken to pleasure.

[00:27:52] Lauren Harkness: And that’s a real solo journey. It’s about finding yourself as source and being able to generate your own aliveness and feel that turn on and pleasure and magnetism and start to create from desire. And it’s a really robust program. It’s on its 12th round now. I’m starting again in February. Yeah, I love it.

[00:28:14] Lauren Harkness: And then I have a practice. I have two practitioner trainings. One that I am a Dakini training. So teaching women how to be Tantra practitioners and How to move trauma through the body, yoni massage, lingam massage, business practices, coaching skills, energy work. Everyone gets a Reiki attunement.

[00:28:35] Lauren Harkness: So I have a level one and a level two of that. And then I co teach the modern priestess of arrows program with Omru Pani. And it’s a six. month practitioner training for BDSM and Tantra and people can come in just for their personal exploration too. Not everyone wants to be a practitioner, but it’s a very in depth, robust program.

[00:28:54] Lauren Harkness: I have a class that I call Sex Witch, which I run once a year. I teach at festivals. I just, I have a really busy schedule and

[00:29:04] Juliette Karaman: Holy moly, you are a busy woman.

[00:29:07] Lauren Harkness: This year, I’m we are doing IVF. So hopefully we’ll bring a little bundle of joy into our family. And so I’m sure that my programming will shift for that, but this is where I’m at now.

[00:29:20] Juliette Karaman: Ah, but isn’t that beautiful? You also have enough spaciousness. In your programming that you have things that can go run evergreen that, so you can take time out for IVF because that’s quite a journey as well. Yeah. Oh, how beautiful. Ah, that I, yeah, I wish you a little bundle of joy.

[00:29:44] Juliette Karaman: It’s as a mother of four, I’m like it’s an incredible feeling.

[00:29:48] Lauren Harkness: Yeah. I know that you’re such a great mom and now they’re not so little anymore.

[00:29:53] Juliette Karaman: 22, 22, 24, 25. So yeah, it’s yeah it’s quite a journey. It’s interesting. My love, this has been wonderful. We’ve had a few hiccups with the tech, but we managed to get it all through.

[00:30:09] Lauren Harkness: Thank you so much for having me. It’s been such an honor and I’m so looking forward to watching you, all of the programming you do, explore and expand and generate all this magic. It’s so fun to see you.

[00:30:23] Juliette Karaman: Thank you, my darling. It’s been wonderful having you. I will put all the all the links in the show notes for people to click through and really get to know Lauren.

[00:30:33] Juliette Karaman: She is a powerhouse, as you can tell. All right, my darlings, much love. Until the next time.

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