Episode 59 Embarking on Motherhood’s Cosmic Journey: Wisdom, Joy, and Cultural Change with Sigourney Belle

On: Jan 30, 2024

Today Juliette Karaman interviews Sigourney Belle, an internationally successful entrepreneur and advocate for conscious leadership. They discuss Sigourney’s journey as an innovator and disruptor in the business world, her exploration of esoterics and inner secrets, and the transformative power of motherhood. Sigourney also shares her upcoming speaking engagement at COP28 and her vision for Project Eden, a school that combines generative principles with magic and eco-centric values.

Key Takeaways:

  • Entrepreneurship is a journey of innovation and initiation, where individuals bring their visions into form and then find a good home for them.
  • Esoterics is the study of inner secrets and the inner workings of the world, bridging the mystical with the scientific and exploring the nature of the soul.
  • Motherhood is a profound transformation that brings a deep sense of privilege and responsibility, activating the primal brain and connecting individuals to their instincts and the well-being of their children.
  • Speaking at COP28, Sigourney shares her proposal for changing culture and creating an eco-centric society, emphasizing the importance of recognizing the interconnectedness of all beings and the need for a matriarchal society.
  • Spinal Attunement, a modality created by Sigourney, taps into the autonomic and reflexive pathways of the nervous system, allowing individuals to move through emotional turmoil and access their innate healing abilities.

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The Scrumptious Woman EP59


[00:00:00] Juliette Karaman: Welcome to the Scrumptious Woman, another episode. And I have with me my mentor Sigourney Belle, who is an internationally successful entrepreneur and an incredible powerhouse who is disrupting

[00:00:15] Juliette Karaman: traditional business models, elevating consciousness and leadership, empowering bold femininity, and helping thousands of clients uncover their unique and authentic purpose. Genius, which is completely true. I love it. Your new book is Wild Business and you really challenge existing norms of society and how to Empower people how to really take charge of your sovereignty and of your business that it becomes the tool of Who you are in this world, right?

[00:00:53] Juliette Karaman: Now I’ve been in your world for about three years now. When was it the first homo mystica? [00:01:00] Cohort because I came with that. I came across you and I was like, oh my god merging the mystical with the medical people. There’s someone that can actually explain what we’re doing at these metaphysical levels, but you can explain it in a way that more brainy people or more people that want to understand what is actually happening, you can merge those two.

[00:01:26] Juliette Karaman: So welcome to The Scrumptious Woman.

[00:01:31] Sigourney Belle: Thank you so much for having me on. Yeah. I’m grateful to be here.

[00:01:35] Juliette Karaman: It’s been incredible. It’s been such a beautiful ride to see you and being pregnant and having a child and going from one business to another. This is one of your things that you are passionate about setting up businesses and then you.

[00:01:52] Juliette Karaman: Often move on,

[00:01:53] Sigourney Belle: right? Yeah. Yeah that’s a habit of mine. I would say I’m more of an innovator than [00:02:00] someone that sustains things. My, my blueprint is to learn things and bring things into form and into matter. And that’s what drives me is that more initiatory process. And there’s people in the world that are really potent at sustaining things and growing them and scaling them.

[00:02:19] Sigourney Belle: And it’s just not really where my deepest passion lives.

[00:02:23] Juliette Karaman: I love it. So you see them, you feel them, you bring them into existence and then it’s let’s find them a good home that someone else can carry this on.

[00:02:32] Sigourney Belle: Yeah, about that. It usually it’s around three years, I find is that point where I get a little bit antsy and I’m about at that point right now.

[00:02:43] Sigourney Belle: So I’m either going to have to move my current business to a next level or. Yeah. Evolve.

[00:02:51] Juliette Karaman: It’s interesting, right? Because I always, as a mother, you’re a mother too, after the terrible twos, the threes,[00:03:00] the kids come into their threes and it’s you’re not needed as much anymore.

[00:03:05] Juliette Karaman: And I see a business like this a little bit as well, where it’s like, you’re not, you can then give it, give the sovereignty, over to the next person.

[00:03:16] Sigourney Belle: Yeah, absolutely. A lot of people speak about their business being their baby and I’m like, yeah, it is to begin with. And then you reach a certain level of maturity and the relationship changes after a certain amount of time.

[00:03:29] Sigourney Belle: But it’s very rare actually that entrepreneurs get past that three year mark because then actually it does require a level of maturation to then hold something that is sustainable after that point. So it’s very fun in the first initial stages.

[00:03:45] Juliette Karaman: And then it becomes oh, we’re working a lot harder than we thought.

[00:03:49] Juliette Karaman: So tell me, how did you get on this path?

I’m on a few different paths. So I guess, where do I start actually? So my vision, I’ll start with my [00:04:00] vision before I even and my quote unquote career my vision was actually always to be a writer and a journalist, interestingly, like throughout high school, I just always wanted to write and one of my teachers basically just talked me out of it and he said, Sig, it’s a very competitive industry.

[00:04:19] Sigourney Belle: You’re very intelligent. Why don’t you do X, Y, and Z? And I was just quite impressionable at that point. And I’m also a bit of a clown. So I just, I was like, you know what? I’m just going to put down a whole bunch of things on my like preference list to get into at uni. And I’ll just take my pick.

[00:04:38] Sigourney Belle: Basically, I was like, not really. I didn’t really care, and I just put down physiotherapy as my top one. I didn’t even know what a physiotherapist was, I had never seen a physiotherapist in my life. Love it. And in the state that I’m from, it’s actually, you need higher [00:05:00] marks than to get into medicine.

[00:05:01] Sigourney Belle: I was like, I’m just going to put something really high tier, I’m probably not going to get in. And then I got in and I was like, you know what, I’m just gonna, I’m just going to go and do this degree. And I really didn’t actually enjoy myself at all. What am I doing here? This is not really my thing.

[00:05:20] Sigourney Belle: But every year my mom’s suggestion was. To me, it was to put all of the things that I wanted to do into a hat. And so at the end of every like year that I did my year into my degree, sorry, I would just pull out of a hat. And I had about 10 different things that I was like, dabbling in and exploring.

[00:05:40] Sigourney Belle: And every year I pulled out, finished a degree. No.

[00:05:46] Juliette Karaman: My goodness. I

[00:05:48] Sigourney Belle: finished my degree and. Then I was like, you know what? Never going to work in this industry. The health and wellness industry is not for me. And then I just got called up like by a [00:06:00] hospital and they’re like, can you just do three months?

[00:06:02] Sigourney Belle: It’s just three months. I was like, ah, you know what, three months isn’t so bad. And and then I fell in love with a doctor that worked at the hospital and so I stayed on and then I got promoted to a role and. Then I was just in that field for about eight years after that.

[00:06:24] Juliette Karaman: For something that you didn’t really want to do, right?

[00:06:26] Sigourney Belle: No, but here’s the thing. So when I was 15, I saw a psychic who was a previous doctor turned psychic and was very successful. My mom, who was actually not really a believer in psychic work, saw him and had a really profound experience where he basically predicted my dad was going to cut off two fingers.

[00:06:49] Sigourney Belle: And he did. A couple of weeks later, he cut his exact fingers off. Yeah, it was quite wild. My mom was just Mind blown. And so she said [00:07:00] at 15 and he said, Oh, you’re going to be doing what I do. Like you’re going to be a medical intuitive when you’re older. And I was like, no.

[00:07:12] Sigourney Belle: That doesn’t interest me at all. I don’t think at that point I was quite closed to that kind of realm and world, and I was very scientific, but so it was, not open to that at all, anyway, about two years into my career in the hospital system, I. Something started, a process started unfolding within me.

[00:07:34] Sigourney Belle: I just thought I was stressed, adrenally burnt out. I was diagnosed with chronic fatigue, depression, a whole bunch of mental disorders. Put on a bunch of pills. You know how it goes. And that basically catalyzed my journey because nothing improved. Didn’t get better. I wanted this quick fix.

[00:07:55] Sigourney Belle: I wanted to just be healed, didn’t get better. And I [00:08:00] basically just plummeted from there to the point where I was turning up to work every morning and vomiting in the toilet. So I was so sick, didn’t know what was going on and I just had this. I remember once I got to this point where I was actually developed a neurological condition where I couldn’t even walk up a set of stairs.

[00:08:19] Sigourney Belle: So I went from being an elite athlete. I was a black belt competing in the world titles to not being able to walk up a single set of stairs. And ironically, I was in the field of neurology, so I was diagnosing and treating clients with neurological disorders and seeing interesting patterns in these clients show up.

[00:08:38] Sigourney Belle: I developed a neurological disorder and what ended up actually happening was I have, I was having a soul awakening process. I remember just. Like laying in the bath one night I was like, I totally give in. I don’t know what’s happening to me. I like was, I was at rock bottom [00:09:00] basically. I would hit that dark night at this whole point.

[00:09:04] Sigourney Belle: And I just, by no means religious, but I just had this feeling of, I need to pray. That’s the only thing I have. Left to go to I feel like I need to pray and I just sunk into the bath And at that point I was like if I don’t have any clarity over what’s happening and where I’m going with my life like I could end my life like that’s how bad it was and I just Remember that was the exact point that my whole vision Just woke up and I could see like with my eyes closed and I just saw this whole process unfolding of me studying in Nepal at this specific monastery, like I could see the gates.

[00:09:48] Sigourney Belle: And then I could see myself in India studying under teachers there. And I just, this whole vision just opened clear as day. So I had my eyes open and I just knew, I was like, I’m [00:10:00] living to Nepal. I’m going to Nepal. And I was 22.

[00:10:05] Sigourney Belle: So 11 years old, no, 12 years ago, I’m 34 now. And that was it. I just, I was living in a monastery and studying the Tibetan path of enlightenment, so the Lamrim, and then I moved to India. I was studying with various teachers in India, and it was just like, I was just in a flow state, basically. I just was just on this mission to learn about energetics, learn about the nature of the soul deep dive into esoterics and my lineage is one of.

[00:10:42] Sigourney Belle: My lineage is comes from the lineage of Tibetan Buddhism. And I didn’t know that, but it was in the monastery. And when I was studying these teachings, it just, it was just second nature. I was like, not, it was like, I was not learning anything new. I was like, yeah, this is. [00:11:00] So this is how it is. And

[00:11:02] Juliette Karaman: isn’t that interesting, right?

[00:11:04] Juliette Karaman: Sometimes when we’ve experienced it before and our soul knows it, right? And it’s just like muscle memory almost. It’s Oh, you do it once or twice. It’s Oh, I know this.

[00:11:13] Sigourney Belle: Yeah. I felt here. I was like, this feels so familiar. And. Then it made sense. Oh, I’ve been living in this reality that doesn’t make sense to me at all.

[00:11:24] Sigourney Belle: This makes sense to me. And then from that point onwards, so it’s been 12 years. I’ve just been committed to deep diving into the field of esoterics and yeah, I can go into more around what esoterics. What that is. , if you

[00:11:40] Juliette Karaman: want to, why don’t you actually, I would love it. I would love, yeah, people that listen to this podcast have a little bit of an idea, but there are also some newcomers, they’re like, what are esoterics?

[00:11:50] Juliette Karaman: And I think your story resonates with a lot of people, right? We almost have to hit rock bottom, be at that point where it’s okay, something’s got to change and then things do and I know that you [00:12:00] are a seer and that really. started, in that bath experience, right? Where you started seeing stuff.

[00:12:05] Juliette Karaman: It’s oh, this has all been available to me, except I had blinders on, I couldn’t see it.

[00:12:11] Sigourney Belle: Yeah, when our vessels are open and when we’re, in that space of deep humility, that’s when God can move through us. Yeah, esoteric, basically what it means is, it means in a secret. That’s what it translates to.

[00:12:24] Sigourney Belle: So it’s the inner secrets and the inner workings of the world, like of your inner environment and your inner world. And that’s really what I’m passionate about is learning the nature of esoterics, but also bridging that with the understanding of the nervous system, which is what I specialized in the medical field was the nervous system.

[00:12:47] Sigourney Belle: Neurology and understanding that actually God exists through. The nervous system is like a mirror to, if we actually have a look at it [00:13:00] and we pull it apart, it looks like a tree, right? The tree of life is a representation of the vagus nerve actually. And we can map the whole. process of spirituality to the neuroendocrine system.

[00:13:14] Sigourney Belle: It’s fascinating. I love it. As you’ve been in containers with me when I’m teaching this. I

[00:13:19] Juliette Karaman: know, I just my mind gets blown from time to time. I’m not sure I’m, I, this feels really familiar and it feels completely right, but I’m not sure my, my human mind quite understands it, which is also fine.

[00:13:31] Juliette Karaman: It doesn’t need to, right? Yeah. Yeah. And I love how you explain that, that it’s really, it’s by going inwards, by going into ourselves, right? I call myself a self relationship expert because I started in the conscious sexuality realm and that was my awakening, right? And that’s where I’ve Whoa but then it’s all about yourself and it’s all about, the outside will change when you change the inside, when you change your relationship to self and you, and of [00:14:00] course the whole nervous system is such an integral part of that, the emotional system, the emotional body is, as we know, holds so much.

[00:14:11] Sigourney Belle: Yes, we are magical beings.

[00:14:14] Juliette Karaman: A little bit. A little bit.

[00:14:17] Juliette Karaman: It’s yeah, it’s an interesting I see it with your daughter, right? She is just so free spirit. With kids, you just see how they don’t question things. They do question all the time, but they don’t question if they are right or, you know They never have that am I too much? Am I too little?

[00:14:39] Juliette Karaman: Am I too this, or that? It’s no, they’re just very confident in themselves, and the world is just, according to them, is just, everything is just fun and curious, and looking at things, you’re like, oh my god, to have that curiosity in life again, isn’t that amazing?

[00:14:54] Sigourney Belle: Yeah, spirit has just entered their being, right?

[00:14:57] Sigourney Belle: So it’s like they’re more in their spiritual [00:15:00] energetic bodies particularly up until the age of two and their prefrontal lobe isn’t even really developed. So they’re just moving with and animated by life. And there’s no people that, you know, operating from their feeling body and they’re so curious, but there’s not really this overriding of any conditioning happening at that point.

[00:15:18] Sigourney Belle: And it’s just, Yeah, it’s so much to learn from them.

[00:15:23] Juliette Karaman: How has your journey changed by becoming a mother?

[00:15:28] Sigourney Belle: Oof.

[00:15:30] Juliette Karaman: Oh, it’s this little bomb that I’ve thrown in there.

[00:15:33] Sigourney Belle: Oh, I’m, yeah. It’s a big one, right? I’m writing a book on this at the moment. This is my next book. It’s called Mother Revolution. And I’ll be finished it by May.

[00:15:45] Sigourney Belle: Wow. I’m publishing it by mid year. Yeah, it’s mostly done. I’m just compiling it all together. How has my life been changed by motherhood? How has it not been changed by motherhood? I didn’t [00:16:00] realize how privileged I was before I became a mother. I’m now I’m still so privileged if not more privileged to have this beautiful being that I get to custodian in the world.

[00:16:11] Sigourney Belle: But before, when I could just sit at a cafe and drink coffee and stare out into nature and just have time for myself. Nowadays to get to do that is the most ecstatic experience. When I get an hour to myself, just to sit in a cafe and stare out into space, all right, It’s my whole nervous system is so ecstatic because it’s been holding constantly throughout the week so you learn to experience contrast much more deeply because you are holding so much as a mother, you’re holding for this other being, your brain is rewired completely.

[00:16:47] Sigourney Belle: During pregnancy and motherhood, particularly during the first two years, like all of your synapses start to prune to your logical mind and go into your primal brain. So that you can [00:17:00] basically have your instincts turned up so that, you can basically provide for this child. And what that means is all of your fears turn up.

[00:17:09] Sigourney Belle: Every possible, during pregnancy, what I didn’t expect was every possible fear would come up around, like, how, around motherhood and raising a child. I was constantly in this process of descending through. These dark thoughts and fears around, is she going to be healthy and constantly circulating in my mind.

[00:17:31] Sigourney Belle: And I wasn’t really someone previous to that had a lot of fear, like I was pretty on the edge of, living at my edge constantly. So to go through that process of really sinking into the primordial body and feeling like some of these really deep primordial fears come up it’s quite confronting.

[00:17:51] Sigourney Belle: It’s still, it’s also, it’s so needed, like the, I can remember when I was in England once, Cerulea just [00:18:00] dashed out the door and just legged it to the road and nearly got hit by a car and everyone else is just standing there watching her running to the road, not getting up. And I’m just. I’m sprinting, hoping I’m going to make it there in time to grab her.

[00:18:12] Sigourney Belle: And I did because something just kicks in, but I’m like, all of these humans just sitting there watching, like they would have watched, just watched her get hit, but because they don’t have that mother child connection, their brain is not wired to protect this being like mine is they just don’t have that instinctual.

[00:18:33] Sigourney Belle: Quickness that we have as mothers, which is just so necessary. It is

[00:18:37] Juliette Karaman: an instinctual quickness, right? Because I remember, so I had four kids in under three years time, which is, crazy by any amount of anyone’s standard. It’s crazy, but it just happened like that. But I remember I was in Holland visiting my sister and she lived near the zoo.

[00:18:53] Juliette Karaman: So I went with my four kids and they were all like tiny, like six, five, and the girls were three or something. So it was, [00:19:00] A handful. And then I remember Faisal, my second son, roared near the lions and he’d gone under the first kind of like fence and he was just walking up to where the gate is with them and he was just about to stick his hand through and I could see the lioness come and I have no idea how I legged it and how I jumped over things but I just pulled him out just as she was grabbing and I was like grabbed him and then walked.

[00:19:29] Juliette Karaman: Out again, without screaming at him, because that would have been my normal thing, but my nervous system, my, my body was like, shaky. But I just remember, and my sister looked at me, she’s I thought you had a bad hip. I’m like, yeah, I do. Yeah, not at that point. Everything

[00:19:44] Sigourney Belle: goes out the window.

[00:19:45] Sigourney Belle: Motherhood gives you some serious superpowers.

[00:19:48] Juliette Karaman: Crazy, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I just held her and I’m like, Oh my God, that would have been a little mauled, a little blondie, but not a kid.

[00:19:59] Sigourney Belle: Yeah. [00:20:00] Yeah. I guess one of the other superpowers of becoming a mother is that the, like, all of your maiden like illusions and the rose tinted glasses, they just come off.

[00:20:12] Sigourney Belle: It was such a journey of

[00:20:14] Sigourney Belle: whew, it was such a journey for me of, descending back into reality and really being here feet on the ground.

[00:20:25] Sigourney Belle: I’m fully here and I didn’t realize that, it’s something that there’s a process that happens with the womb when you’re growing a child in your womb that really activates that space and it hasn’t, previous to motherhood it hasn’t. Being occupied. It’s almost like my sense is motherhood really brings you into being able to occupy your womb inhabit it and live from that space.

[00:20:51] Sigourney Belle: And previously, even though we go through menstruation, it’s just not the same actually. There’s, it’s almost like the womb is quite cosmic before [00:21:00] you have a child. And before you actually bring physical life into that area. It completely changes you. And

[00:21:07] Juliette Karaman: yes, it does. I know. And that’s even, I would say, it’s even the same if you’ve had a miscarriage and you haven’t actually birthed a baby through it, but you’ve had some sort of life in there.

[00:21:18] Juliette Karaman: I’ve had loads of miscarriages in between as well. Those are the souls coming in, right? And you do actually recognize that there’s been life in there.

[00:21:28] Sigourney Belle: Yeah. It’s quite wild too. Actually experienced because the soul doesn’t end, but I think it’s something days into the pregnancy and when you actually feel the moment when you can actually feel, okay, I can feel the soul.

[00:21:47] Sigourney Belle: of my child now. I had it, it was actually on a full moon. It just, something switched and I was like, Oh, she’s here. Like before that I could feel the physiology. I could feel her physical form, but I couldn’t feel the [00:22:00] soul of the being there. And when that lands, it’s really quite profound.

[00:22:04] Juliette Karaman: Incredible. I love it.

[00:22:06] Juliette Karaman: Gosh. Ah, what a story and just, I can’t wait for that book to come out and for people really to understand a completely different side of motherhood and really what it means to be a mother.

[00:22:21] Juliette Karaman: So you have something incredible, yeah, you have lots of incredible things on the horizon, but you are, there’s two things I want to go, but I know that now in a few weeks you’re off to Dubai.

[00:22:34] Sigourney Belle: Not even just a few weeks, in two days.

[00:22:37] Juliette Karaman: Oh, okay, shoot! In two days, that’s actually really Tell us about how you’re feeling about it.

[00:22:45] Juliette Karaman: What are you going to do there? And what is your transmission that you bring to?

[00:22:50] Sigourney Belle: I haven’t been this nervous about anything in a good while. Which is nice. It means I’m. Moving into a new edge and [00:23:00] something in me is activating around that. But I’ve also been moving through layers of terror actually over the past week around this.

[00:23:09] Sigourney Belle: Basically, I’m going to be speaking at COP28, which is the UN Climate Change Conference. Which was quite the way that this has all come about as being quite magical, which is my life. And I’m going to be speaking about basically my proposal for how I see and how I view and. What I believe is necessary in order to change culture first at a micro level and then at a macro level.

[00:23:39] Sigourney Belle: And when I’m talking about changing culture, I’m talking about a realignment with a more ecocentric way of being, which for me also links back to, I’m like linking this into my book around motherhood because motherhood and mothering and matriarchal society and is essentially. It is deeply intertwined with [00:24:00] creating an ecocentric society because the mother is the gateway into unconditional love and it’s, he is the one that’s deeply intertwined with and that connects us with empathy, with all beings, all sentient beings, all of life.

[00:24:15] Sigourney Belle: And I feel like this is at the center point of what needs to change if we’re to actually do it. Change the environment. It’s we can’t change the environment through this logical, strategical ways of being and thinking. It’s we have to actually change it through our own ecology and our own system and actually start to become and recognize that everything is sentient.

[00:24:41] Sigourney Belle: Recognize that we’re a part of. An ecological system. We’re not these individual separate beings that are just living their lives. Actually, we’re deeply intertwined with the lands that we’re on. And this decolonization and like working with more indigenous ways of being, but like in [00:25:00] order to actually create true change and create climate change, we need to actually change our relationship to.

[00:25:08] Sigourney Belle: And so I’m going to speak about, ecosematics and, ecology work and why I feel like that’s like really pertinent in terms of changing the trajectory of where we’re going with the climate and climate change. And also I’ve got a proposal around, name it as it is, or so it’s basically I’ve got this idea of what I want to create which is, it’s called Eden, it’s Project Eden, but it’s basically going to be Sounds

[00:25:36] Juliette Karaman: like a good name for it.

[00:25:39] Sigourney Belle: Yes, Eden with an A and it’s going to be basically a school that’ll have like narrative principles woven into it we’ll be working with syntropic principles, but it’s also going to be a magic school.

[00:25:52] Sigourney Belle: So I basically want to create Hogwarts. I may not tell them about that

[00:25:58] Juliette Karaman: part. [00:26:00] That might be kept in the wraps because that might not work For this COP28, completely climate change, but that is where we need to go, right? And that is like If we’re really tapping into the totality of what we have and that we all, what we all are and the gifts that we have and how we can be one with nature and how we are all part of it, then this is part of it too.

[00:26:25] Juliette Karaman: And it’s. Being kept on the wraps for so long or what’s happened if when we were vocal about it is that we were burned at stakes, et cetera, et cetera, that people have just been careful about talking about this,

[00:26:40] Sigourney Belle: and that’s a part of what I’ve been moving through is. Feeling, times when I had been persecuted, whether being in this life, because it’s definitely happened to me in this lifetime or previous lifetimes.

[00:26:52] Sigourney Belle: Yeah, this really feels like the epitome of having to really hold myself through. Okay. Is what I’m going to share going to be [00:27:00] accepted? It could be completely pushed back upon, rejected. And I have to. basically take that risk. Yeah,

[00:27:08] Juliette Karaman: it’s a big one, right? And I feel that is really what’s coming up for me as well.

[00:27:13] Juliette Karaman: This podcast being visible, all of a sudden, really lots of people downloading it. I’m just like, Oh, and then the stuff going on in Palestine and Israel and then in other parts of the world where there’s just so much terror and so much war and so much pain and misery. And it’s Oh, can I still lead the way of my scrumptiousness and pleasure and fun, and not even fun, but you know that this is the way through, right?

[00:27:38] Juliette Karaman: Because of being all of this, we can tap into the scrumptiousness, the pleasure, the chi of life, and that is the way through, right? How we can get into all these dimensions. So yeah, it’s I feel that a lot of people are feeling the, I’m not even sure if it’s backlash, but the [00:28:00] energetics of what is happening in the world and how to be visible and how to have your voice and how to explain what you stand for.

[00:28:09] Sigourney Belle: Yeah. And it’s hard with the context of what’s happening in the world, it’s hard to stand there and to, sometimes it feels like all of this is happening and I’m here. Completely removed from that. I feel so grateful to have this little bubble of a life over here, where I’m safe and protected and my child is safe and protected.

[00:28:33] Sigourney Belle: And it’s fucking hard to feel the powerlessness and the helplessness that comes with being so removed and not being able to have any influence over what’s happening, to a degree. I think we can definitely contribute, but. I think what we’re being shown at the moment is there are powers at work that are very influential that we, yeah, that we can’t necessarily influence so much.[00:29:00]

[00:29:00] Sigourney Belle: And that’s really hard and it drops you into that state of powerlessness and grief. And in that actually, there’s a lot of beauty because that’s where the heart awakens and that’s where we connect to our capacity to really deeply feel. Others. And yeah, empathize with others. Yeah.

[00:29:21] Juliette Karaman: Completely. And it’s also, this kind of like, where it brings us into spinal attunement, the modality that you created, that I absolutely adore, and where it really brings you into feeling and takes you out of the head and out of thinking and just I’ve noticed the difference in a 15 to 20 minute session, 30 minutes, from start to end, usually people leave and they’re just like, Oh my God, what was that?

[00:29:51] Sigourney Belle: Yeah. Steps you into a totally different pathway. And it’s hard to. Believe until you’ve experienced it. Cause when you look at it, you’re [00:30:00] cognitively reasoning what’s happening there, like so many people come into the training and they’re so standoffish and they’re like, no, I’m not going to believe it until I experienced it.

[00:30:09] Sigourney Belle: And then they’re like, whoa. Okay. Yeah, cause it’s working with, more of those autonomic pathways and more of those reflexive pathways of the nervous system where actually we don’t have. Logical control over, and we’re waking those pathways up so that the body can actually just move what needs to be moved in the nervous system without us overriding it with our logical minds.

[00:30:34] Sigourney Belle: Yeah.

[00:30:35] Juliette Karaman: So that’s it, right? Our logical minds like to override and like to have things look a certain way, but when all of a sudden you’re in a, and I’ve noticed so many people are in a freeze pattern at the moment. I’ve noticed a lot of youngsters, I call them tweens, and teenagers and early twenties very much of what’s happening in the world are just in a freeze state and they have no idea what to do.[00:31:00]

[00:31:00] Juliette Karaman: So to move them I’ve given a few sessions to to friends of mine, my, my twins who are 22, and I’ve done a group session for them. And they were all like, Whoa, it’s like the cognitive mind wants to understand. I’m like, don’t worry about it. You don’t have to understand, just let your body move or let your emotions come up.

[00:31:18] Juliette Karaman: And then, I like. Packaged them back in, told them what to do, drink lots of water, go out into nature, journal if you want to. And they’re just like, wow, this is one way to move through emotional turmoil. And I think there’s such a big call for to learn about their emotions at that age.

[00:31:38] Sigourney Belle: Yeah, absolutely. Yep. I would have loved to have learned to float when I was that age.

[00:31:46] Juliette Karaman: God, my goodness. And me, right? It took

[00:31:49] Sigourney Belle: me really deep initiations to get to the point where I understood. All of that yeah, should be a part of this schooling curriculum.

[00:31:59] Juliette Karaman: [00:32:00] Completely. And I know that’s what you’re passionate about as well, trying to bring in earlier stuff to kids schooling and really letting them be kids and letting them tap into their emotional body, into their physical body, into the knowledge that they have already.

[00:32:16] Juliette Karaman: Sig,

[00:32:18] Juliette Karaman: my lovely, this has been wonderful. Can you let listeners know how they can find you, what’s on the horizon for you, how they can tap into your magic a little bit more?

[00:32:31] Sigourney Belle: Yes, so the best options are to follow me on social media, so Instagram or Facebook. So I’m Sigourney Bell on Instagram. I’m Sigourney Weldon on Facebook, just to be confusing.

[00:32:45] Sigourney Belle: And Substack as well. You can follow me on Substack. I’m at Sigourney Bell on Substack as well. So that’s where I write up all of my longer pieces and my educational pieces and my blogs and that kind of thing. Our soon to be podcast. Yes.

[00:32:59] Juliette Karaman: Oh! [00:33:00] Cool, cool! You write really beautifully and anyone that isn’t following Sigourney really need to because there’s some nuggets of gold, there’s some massive alchemy there.

[00:33:13] Sigourney Belle: Thank you. I should also probably drop my business in there.

[00:33:16] Juliette Karaman: Soma Mystica. I think it’s a good idea.

[00:33:19] Sigourney Belle: So Soma Mystica on Instagram, S O M A M Y S T Y C A and somamistica. com is the website. So that is Spinal Achievement is a branch of that body of work, but that’s where we teach all of the trauma informed somatic therapeutic bodies of work that we have.

[00:33:41] Sigourney Belle: Including Spinal Achievement, which Juliet is trained in.

[00:33:44] Juliette Karaman: Yeah, and you’ve got some incredible people as well in, in some of the other courses, right? I love the stuff that, that we’re doing there. I was dipping into Maya facial stuff yesterday a little bit. I was like, Ooh, this is

[00:33:58] Sigourney Belle: cool. [00:34:00] Yeah. Really cool.

[00:34:02] Sigourney Belle: Yeah. It’s oh, we’re done. No, go ahead. I’ve just said I’ve, so many different, there’s so many different learning modalities out there and I’ve just pulled from everything and bridged it together into this really holistic model of,

[00:34:18] Juliette Karaman: And I think that’s the beauty of it, right?

[00:34:20] Juliette Karaman: Because you can’t say that one modality encompasses it all. And I’ve noticed this where I have this massive toolbox of different things and everyone keeps saying how do you know what to use? I’m like I tap into the person that I’m working with and then, it’s either spinal or it’s this or it’s EFT or it’s a little bit of human design or jinkies.

[00:34:40] Juliette Karaman: It’s it all becomes like a kind of like mixture and it’s, it all like mixes into this beautiful cauldron. Exactly. I feel like a little witch. What are the tools, what are the frogs that are going to come out? But that’s the beauty and you have such incredible teachers that are really good at what they [00:35:00] do and they bring their beautiful nuggets of gold to it as well.

[00:35:05] Juliette Karaman: So thank you for bringing this all to the world so that we can all shine our gifts. Thank

[00:35:11] Sigourney Belle: you. Thanks for receiving me. Thanks for having me.

[00:35:15] Juliette Karaman: This was wonderful, of course. Thank you for being here.

[00:35:20] Sigourney Belle: Thank you so much. Pleasure.

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