Episode 48 Embrace Sacred Living: Navigating Midlife Wisdom with Suzi Zobrist

On: Dec 22, 2023

Welcome, lovely listeners, to another empowering episode of “The Scrumptious Woman.” In this episode, Juliette engages in a heartfelt conversation with the incredible Suzi Zobrist. Suzi, a devoted practitioner in sacred pelvic care and ceremonial bodywork, shares her inspiring journey of healing and guiding others after overcoming ovarian cancer and a radical hysterectomy at the age of 30.

Key Takeaways:

Midlife Wisdom: Embracing the transformative power of midlife, Suzi and Juliette challenge societal narratives around ageing women, emphasising the richness, wisdom, and vitality this phase brings.

Sacred Living: Suzi introduces the concept of sacred living, highlighting the importance of daily practices, such as prayer, connecting with nature, and embracing simple pleasures, to cultivate a deeper connection with oneself.

Self-Care for Mothers: The conversation touches on the crucial role of self-care for mothers and women in all stages of life, emphasising how tending to oneself positively influences family dynamics.

Reunion Sister Council: Suzi invites women to join her Reunion Sister Council, a space where women can share experiences, celebrate midlife, and collectively redefine the narrative around this transformative phase.

Hands-on Healing: Suzi’s hands-on bodywork, especially focused on women’s Yoni, becomes a profound tool for healing, providing a space for tenderness, release, and renewal.

The Ripple Effect: Juliette and Suzi discuss how individual practices of self-love and care have a positive ripple effect, influencing not only personal well-being but also family dynamics and beyond.

Remember, sacred living is about embracing the beauty of life in its entirety, finding joy in the simple moments, and prioritising self-care.

 Thank you for joining us on this transformative journey. Until next time, live scrumptiously!

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Juliette Karaman, Suzi Zobrist


Juliette Karaman  00:02

Hello my love’s I have with me the wonderful Suzi Zobrist. Am I saying that correct? You are beautiful. Thank you so much for being here. I’m going to read your bio a little bit gr is sacred pelvic care and ceremonial bodywork and feminine rites of passage. Holder. All right, you were initiated into one womb healing work after losing your womb when you were 13 ovarian cancer, I lost my sister to ovarian cancer. So it’s really close to my heart. radical hysterectomy, it’s I can imagine that that did leave you totally numb and disassociated from your womanhood and pelvic space. Completely understand that you went through that so that you are now helping others who have it. What a journey you’ve been on. You’re a pelvic care practitioner, woman, wisdom keeper and spiritual mentor who brings her extensive education, experience and knowledge of yoga, bodywork ritual, sexuality and ceremony into her work. Suzie guides you on a devotional healing journey back to the power and truth of your sacred body and into the reverence of your pelvis will Yoni and spirit how I can breathe, this is beautiful. You did this in groups, one on one. So much here, so much here to to start with. So thank you for coming on. Thank you for being here. Yeah, it’s


Suzi Zobrist  01:46

wonderful to be here with you. And just to have known you and know that you’re on your own beautiful healing journey and just feeling like to where, you know, the, the midlife wise women who have, you know, raised our children and have lived a life and carrying a lot of wisdom. And that’s part of what I’ve been feeling lately in my life is like, this is the time of the matriarch time to share the teachings share the wisdom of a rich, lived full life. And I feel so grateful to have been on my own healing journey to have gone deep into the depths of my own grief and pain and loss, so that I can, you know, be there and walk other women through it. Because this is, you know, this is the beauty of life is the light and the dark, and you know, the depth. So I’m really, really grateful to be here and share this conversation with you today. Thank


Juliette Karaman  02:46

you so much for being here for the work you do for, for the vulnerability, right that you bring as well, because yes, we’re all on our own journey. And this is why we are bringing this work for us so that others don’t have to go through maybe as much pain, they can just take a little shortcut. Or if if they had to have to go through as much pain, they don’t have to do it alone.



Yeah, I really found that, you know, when I, when I had ovarian cancer when I was 30 and lost my womb, you know, that was I’m 53 now and so there weren’t very many resources for me. I mean, literally, you know, the doc just slapped an oestrogen patch on me and said, Good luck. And so I had to really like, you know, forge my own way. And, and I and that’s why I have, you know, a lot of different, you know, experiences through, you know, in the healing arts is because I needed to tend to my own body. And really the the piece of it is, is you know, we are our own healers, and we’re not meant to do healing work alone, you know, just thinking about you know, you and I are having this conversation on some Hane which, you know, Will, this podcast will will launch out into the world and on a different day than today. But this is like the gathering of the witches, right? And I’ve been kind of reflecting on that. It’s like, these are the wise women healers, this is the lineage that we come from, they’re the ones that attended to the land and to the wounds and to the children and created the medicines, right. And this is where all of our I feel all of our ancestors come from is the wisdom of the land and we have forgotten and I love the feminine healing arts you know, it’s, it’s wild and messy and bloody and passionate and wild and you know, that’s the witch and no wonder the patriarchy feared because it’s you know so much about coming on done. And we do are meant to be held. In that sacred circle, you know, around the cauldron, which I kind of see is that our prayers are collective prayers. And were meant to be in sisterhood to do the, to do the work


Juliette Karaman  05:14

completely. And it’s interesting, right how, over the years, we have become more independent, we started living in our concrete boxes with, with Windows, there’s a there’s a song and Dutch, you know, an old singer, like my parents time, but that really sang about them Now often when I listened to and I’m like, Yeah, we are in concrete boxes with sheets of glass. And we pride ourselves on being able to do it all ourselves. And that is where the burnout happens. And that’s where the disease creates. And it’s like, we forget that we can have a sisterhood or brotherhood, a team of people of loved ones that can support us, we do not have to do this alone. Yeah,



when I think that the pandemic really helped us remember, because we found ourselves in a lot of ways forced isolation, and how then even I mean, you and I know each other through an online space, right? Because we wanted to come together, and commune and inspire and learn and grow as people and yet, you know, at the time, when, when, you know, you and I met a few years ago, we we weren’t really able to meet so much in person. And, you know, thankfully, this is changing for us now, and we are coming back, but it’s like the, the deep remembering of how much we need community. And that storytelling, right, I feel like that’s so much of it, the songs, the dancing, the the food, the storytelling, you know, this is what is the uniqueness of a human life, you know, and sharing that with one another?


Juliette Karaman  07:07

And isn’t that the beauty of it? Because I often think back at my ex husband and his whole community, he’s Lebanese Palestinian, so the woman would cook together, and especially, you know, like his grandmother and things they would be in the kitchen together, and rolling vine leaves, preparing things that are labourers they’re not difficult, but the labourers and of course, I’d have people helping them as well. But that is also the point that little secrets would get passed on from mother to daughter to grandmother, like, what do you do when you go on a wedding night, I mean, all these things that weren’t spoken about, and especially in the Arab world. That was how we commune in groups. And that’s because we, we did labour, we did manual things together. And then we could talk about these things. And with the internet, and with everyone, being more individual, this has kind of stopped him. But at the same time, I also see like you said, there is this beauty that through online communities, we can interact this way. I mean, I’m in the UK, you’re in the States, this podcast is going out to hundreds of 1000s of people everywhere in the world that can pick and choose what lands for them what they want to do with the information with the codes with the energy that they’re receiving from us. Yeah,



it’s really profound. I’m feeling really grateful about it. So thank you for this conversation today.


Juliette Karaman  08:46

How it’s a super cool i love it and then that it is on Halloween on Sharpie and especially the times that we’re going through at the moment they were union sister Council Tell me a little bit about that.



Well, one of the things that I’ve been really feeling into at this stage of my life which I’ve been calling the matriarch I’m very much in my queen ager years where I am


Juliette Karaman  09:16

Major Queen major, what a good word you



know, it’s like I’m, I’m 53 and really, you know, coming into my gives zero fucks time of life where it’s like all of the ways that I have been the good girl and toe the line and did the right thing. Something inside of me is like no more. And then when we start to look at women that are midlife that are perimenopause, menopause, post menopause time here again, the way that the culture kind of comes in and says that you’re you’re old, you’re dried up you’ve you know you’ve lost your your vitality, your sexual ality your turn on, you know, just all of the the things that we are so not true for us that are living and in this phase of life. And yeah, there can be symptoms that that come up through the through making the transition. And sometimes I feel like that symptomology is it gets kind of highlighted because we haven’t really tended to our feminine bodies and the way that we might have. We’ve been very much for many of us, not everyone, but pushing and as you said, trying to do at all, have a career, be a mom supermom, right care for the family, do all of the things and it requires a lot. And you know, trying to do it all right. And so it just been really sitting with that, that we need to change the storyline here about what it means to be midlife and to be in menopause. This is our time of power, you know, as I said, coming into being the Queen, and to really live your life, in your own terms. And so I’ve been wanting to gather who with women that are in a similar stage of life, and come together and let’s talk about it. Let’s share, let’s say this is like that Reclamation. And I also have a real passion for women to remember how to care for their bodies. And in particular, I think of the sacred sites, right, the bras, the belly, the womb, the Yoni our spirit, the places that oftentimes, especially like in traditional massage, like those are the areas that you don’t touch. Those are the places that you skip over. And I go, we don’t no more, no more glossing over what makes women vital and alive and sexy. Look, let’s tend to the breasts of womb in the belly, you know, and sing, let’s honour and revere. And remember, remember who we are. And so reunion is that it’s a let’s come together, we can talk about anything. And but just to really celebrate this time of life and to change our business. It’s changed the storyline about what it means to be a midlife woman. And this is also for our future generations, right? It’s for our daughters. You know, I’ve my I have a daughter who’s 22, you know, she’s looking to me, I am her role model, and how am I going to show her how to how I’m tending and caring for myself and devotion, teaching her how to do that. And so for her whole life, she doesn’t have to wait till she’s midlife to do that, you know.


Juliette Karaman  12:54

So this is wonderful. It’s so, so many similarities. So my first programme, when I started a programme was called the love your midlife method. And then of course, I’ve got twin daughters who are 22. And I’ve got two boys that are 24 and 25. But it’s just like so many things. And I have this programme called scrumptious bodies because we disconnect from our frigging bodies, we have oh my god, have I ever been one of those Yeah, dieting, pushing it into clothes that are too small, and berating it for all the stuff that you know, doesn’t fit into the ideal view that the world may have some 55. So I’m completely on this path as well. And where I’d like to get the Chrome’s now we can really, because we teach this and we help others to remember and work through the charge and work through the beliefs that we have about ourselves and, and actually start recognising where we are scrumptious, pleasurable, beautiful woman and beings. And like, we gave birth with this body. And if we don’t have those, the womb and those organs anymore, we can still care for the places where they used to be and still feel the energy of that, and I know that you work with us a lot as well.



Yeah, it’s, it’s a really beautiful journey. And I know that, you know, our bodies change. We’re not 20 3040 years old anymore when we hit midlife, you know, in the 50s. And on, you know, like, I have, you know, my, my mother, my mother in law, you know, starting to come into their late 70s in their 80s Like, that’s a whole nother like, you know, journey of life. But it’s like, you know, I hit my 50s And it’s like, all of a sudden, you know, my curves became softer. My skin, you know, everything kind of started to change and it’s like, well, this is this is the beauty of full acceptance of life, I’m not saying that it’s easy. You know, and then when you’ve got different health challenges going on, you know, with hot flashes, and sleepless nights, and the hormones and all of those things, but if we can recognise that this is like, you know, we’re not, we’re actually stepping into our calling into our, you know, a deeper level of our power and tending to ourselves, then we can look at those kind of symptom ologies, in a little bit different way. And, you know, in this deeper level of acceptance, because truly, we’re not going to be getting any younger. And, you know, when we look ahead, we want to live, you know, our most vital, healthy lives. And part of what I’ve been really sitting with lately is sacred living. I want to live in devotion to sacred living. So what does sacred living look like for me? And it is, might be different than what sacred living looks like for you. Right? So sacred living for me lately has been like, as I said, living in devotion. So it’s like, well, what, what moves my spirit, what moves my heart, on those days, when I’m having a hard time or I’m feeling stuck, it’s like, well, what is going to help me shift my energy. And, for me, it’s like, my prayers every morning, you know, going outside and sitting in the nature, regardless of the weather, and allowing that beauty to touch me deeply. And to speak my prayers out loud in the clear air, that changes something for me, it might be putting on a song and dancing in the kitchen, you know, moving my body and in some way, or you were talking about, you know, being in the kitchen, right, cooking a meal that’s nourishing, you know, like really prioritising that drinking water. You know, these are like, the simple things that’s like, this is what we know. And yet, when we do it in devotion to ourselves prioritising then it, it feels different for us. And a second sacred living, to me is actually quite simple. And then it’s just a matter of doing those things, you know, on the daily, right, you know, I’ve been getting up in the morning and saying, Okay, I’m not going to get online and get to work, I’m actually going to pull out my journal, and I’m going to pray, and I’m going to free, right, and I’m going to move my body and then I’ve set myself up to be open to receive whatever else is coming for me this day.


Juliette Karaman  17:43

And I love how you use this as a way to really drop into your body drop into your being. For some people, the word praying might be like, Oh, my God, is she praying to God, but this is your word for it. We can we can substitute that with whatever you want to say a mantra, you want to say an affirmation, you want to just speak the words that are important to you the things that bring you joy, that have you changed that frequency. And I recognise myself where I go through a time where it’s quite strict. And I’ll be like, Okay, I do this every morning, I clear myself energetically that I meditate that I do this, and I do that the writing, but it’s different. I go through these phases. But the one thing that I teach my client is like, you will always have time for two or three minutes a day. So what I tell them is put a timer on twice a day, for 90 seconds. When that timer goes off, put the phone down, put everything down and just take a breath in. Notice where that breath lands in your body. What’s available there. What’s the temperature? Where is it? And then just come to stillness? And is there a thought that comes up? Is down emotion? Is there maybe an image and again, check into your body again, there what’s happening there now. And then just again, there might be another thought that comes up. So but this is how we still the monkey mind if we allow ourselves to feel the body sensations and feel the emotions. And that’s why Yeah, my brand is called feel free to you. Because if we do that, just 90 seconds, twice, three times a day, we’re actually more present with what is available to us. And it’s so simple.



Yeah, I love these simple practices that are, you know, so doable. For us. It’s really just about slowing down and you know, like, the timer goes off and And then we check in with ourselves, you know, how am I doing? Right? So, not always just moving from the mind, but bringing it back into the body into the heart. Noticing feeling the sensations. I love this beautiful practice to have a love to explore, like, what is it that you love, and, and starting to make a list of the things that you love. And there might be things that give you pleasure, but you know, could be like a cup of tea, taking a walk, hugging your dog, whatever it might be the things that really like delight your Spirit, and to actually write those things down. And then do those things on the daily. I’m not saying do your whole list, but do at least one thing a day. And now on those days when you’re feeling blue and you are are feeling uninspired. It’s like you look at your list and you’re like, oh, yeah, that’s right. I really love to read a book, maybe I’ll take a moment and read right now. And then while you’re doing whatever it is that you love, you remember, I love this. And you allow that energy to come in that that energy of you know how much it delights you and how much you love it and the joy that it brings you right. And you know, again, another really simple practice to cultivate more pleasure in our lives.


Juliette Karaman  21:25

I love it. I call them my bundles of joy. So they could be little bouquets of flowers or herbs that I’ve picked from the garden, or a candle that I’ve made or that I’ve bought, or putting on hand cream when when I’m in the loo Magoo and actually taking three seconds, five seconds longer. It could be just touching my scarf, which is silk, and then like oh, I kind of like it and rub it around my neck. But it’s it’s the little things that just creates so much joy, so much consciousness, so much pleasure that we can do on the daily. Yeah,



I love this scrumptious is the perfect word for what you’ve just described. And I always think about you to in the bath. The way that you love to draw a bath and just allow yourself that luxury, you know, the warm water that candles, the scent, you know, and, and I know that many of us have busy lives, we have children. And so it’s harder to carve those times out. But we can do this for ourselves. I feel like this is the this is really our work right as as women walk just as humans on the earth, but just thinking about the word scrumptious again, that we can take that time to give ourself that scrumptious softness, you know, whether it’s a meal or a bath, or enjoying the clothing that we’re wearing, right? It’s


Juliette Karaman  22:53

really and also where, where it’s not selfish, right? Because I can I have worked with so many women were like, Oh my God, I don’t have time for this, this is another to do thing on my list. And that’s why it’s like, what I said, what I love what you said, make a list of things, put them in your notes, put them in your phone, wherever it is, and do one of these, you always have time to take a few seconds longer. And it might be as simple as taking a breath longer when you’ve dropped the kids off at school so that you’re busy mom, before you start the car, you rush off to work or rush off to whatever next chores you have, take a breath and just actually recognise where you are. And maybe you want to mentally go through your list and say, Oh, I can just take a breath, look outside. And and notice how the sun is shining. And what I really would like today is maybe I’ll go and get a hot tea somewhere or just one of those little things.



Just yeah, I always feel like our, our life really depends on it, you know, to be able to do this, this is how we cultivate that sacred living. That’s what I’ve been calling it lately. You know, these, these simple acts of devotion to ourselves, you know, noticing the light, taking the breath, you know, taking the pause moving at a little bit slower pace, right. This is what allows the heart to move to be moved deeply by our one simple, beautiful life.


Juliette Karaman  24:38

And that sacred pause is also so important. Because when we give ourselves this, then when we are in a state of conflict when our partner or children or someone comes up with something that we’re like, oh, we’re taken aback, but we can take that sacred pause we can take that and not react, but just kind of like, oh, okay, I noticed there’s something I go to my party, I’m like, I want to rip his head off, but I’m not going to just take a breath and actually recognise what’s going on. And by taking that sacred pause, we’re just giving ourselves that little bit of leeway. It’s like, oh, I don’t have to react, I can just respond when it feels good for me.



Yeah, one of the words that I really like, is being resourced. Right. And so this is what what it reminds me of, right is that, when, because we will experience conflict and difficulty in our life, whatever it might be, and to be resource to go, Yeah, I’m, I don’t need to rip his head off, I can take a breath, I can check in with how I feel. And when we give to ourselves more, you know, even just I keep thinking about like, drinking in the sunlight, you know, so simple, where more resource, you know, we have when we give to ourselves and these small ways, then we’re going to be less, less reactive, more calm, more patient more, you know, generous and giving to ourselves and to others. Yeah, and it’s a practice.


Juliette Karaman  26:15

It’s a practice, and we we, you know, fall off the horse, often, or I do. Yeah, I’ve also noticed over the last probably 1015 years were isolated with my kids, you know, from time to time, I had four kids in under three years time, I’m not excusing it, but it was just a lot of a lot of pressure, I mean, a lot of stuff that you put your body through as well. And I would sometimes just listening and like, Gosh, darn it now, rock would have understood my nagging, like, Don’t you get it, and then by actually taking more time for myself, the little snippets here and there, I don’t get triggered anymore. Down here, this is the one thing that the kids have said is like, Mommy, you have become so calm, so patient, and actually, all of us have become much easier, we actually communicate with each other, we don’t jump on top of each other, inter interrupt as much anymore as they used to. And it’s just I love the ripple effect, where it’s not just me is my ex husband, it’s my children is my partner, it just keeps rippling on my twins of 22, you know, teach this to their friends. And all of a sudden, that is what happens, right? It just continues on



the identity, definitely, I’ve had the same experience, you know, it’s there’s something about raising children that can kind of put you on your edge, and sometimes not at your best. And I again, you know, I was sharing that we are modelling to our children, and I work with a lot of moms and women and I oftentimes hear them say, Well, I don’t have, you know, time and I said, but your children are learning from you. So when you actually take time to do self care, where you give yourself doesn’t have to be an hour at the spa, it can be 10 minutes in the bathroom on your own, but you’re communicating and, and showing that you are caring for yourself. This is how you were teaching our children how to care for themselves. Right? And, you know, it’s, it’s really important and we really are very much taught kind of, to sacrifice our own selves for the health and vitality of our families. And, you know, it’s like, when we tend to ourselves, you know, tend to the mother and I know many you know, the listeners are not mothers and so we can use it, you know, is you know, just tending to your own self is allows us to tend to our communities and in a better way as well. So it’s just really important work feel like we’re we’re remembering again the the needs and and then how necessary it


Juliette Karaman  29:07

  1. Yeah. Beautiful. Remembering to remember right? Yeah. Remembering to remember. I love this. Susie, this has been wonderful. Please can you let us know how people can get in touch with you? They want to know more about your work. Where do you hang out? Where? What’s your website’s?



Amazing. Thank you. I am on Instagram. Susie’s. Obrist is where you can find me there. Route medicine, healing is my website. I have a beautiful temple space. I live in Washington State. I live in a small little island and I’ve been holding beautiful healing retreats for women, solo in groups. We come and be on the land and tend to tend to Our hearts bodies, spirits. And then of course, I have my reunion sister Council. And there’ll be you know, more coming online but just really loving time together in community at what however it looks. So looking forward to connecting with those of you that are listening in, coming into, you know, learn a little bit more about sacred living. That’s what’s really moving my spirit right now.


Juliette Karaman  30:27

I love it. So it’s women that you work with. It could be mothers, daughters, aunts, grandmothers doesn’t have to be of a certain age. No,



I work with I mostly work with women, although I oftentimes work with couples. You know? I do. Yeah. Yes. And beautiful. And I work with all all ages of bodies. And you know, I’ve been doing a longtime hands on body worker, it’s not all I do. But man, my heart and my hands are really want to attend to the body. So you know, hands on healing work. is essential. Yeah,


Juliette Karaman  31:11

yeah, there’s some I’ve noticed there’s issues, especially with COVID, there has been a shortage of actually hands on and when people get touched, so all of a sudden stuff really starts opening and accelerating, the healing accelerates so much more. Yeah,



I do a lot of you know, woman Yoni work, and it just feels like, wow, this is the places where we can hold so much. So much. And I want to be able, I mean, I have been called to be one of the people to hold that space and tend to those tender places. It feels like the greatest honour.


Juliette Karaman  31:55

Yeah. And it really is a colony. Right? It is your devotion to helping others. So yeah, definitely. It’s probably some of the most beautiful work I’ve done together with helping people Passover. And these two things are really what has been my calling. I



know, I see it as like, I’m sitting at the feet of the Goddess. And like, you know, just honouring in in reverence and hearing their stories and being witness to to the life and how do we care and tend to those to those places so that the pain can lessen and new life and you know, the joy and the beauty can take root again. Yeah, it’s really really spotted precious. Thank you. Oh,


Juliette Karaman  32:48

my heart opens. Yes. Stunning. Thank you so much. So welfare.



One is supposed to visit with you, and we’ll talk with you soon.


Juliette Karaman  32:57

Absolutely. Thank you. Bye bye.

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