Episode 45 Navigating Life’s Journey: Overcoming Burnout, Embracing Joy, and Rediscovering Self-Care with Dr. Kate Caine

On: Dec 12, 2023

Welcome, listeners to another insightful episode of The Scrumptious Woman. Today Juliette is joined in the studio by Dr Kate Caine.

In this conversation, Dr. Kate Caine discusses the journey of life, the impact of childhood and family dynamics, and the pressure to overgive in helping professions. She also explores the concept of burnout and its effects, as well as the importance of reconnecting with joy and practising self-care.

Dr. Caine shares her personal experience with breast cancer and the gift of a sacred pause. She emphasizes the importance of receiving and self-love and encourages listeners to take the first step towards self-care.

Dr. Caine can be contacted for further support and guidance.

Key Takeaways:

  • The journey of life is a continuous process of growth and evolution.
  • Childhood and family dynamics can have a significant impact on one’s beliefs and behaviours.
  • The pressure to overgive in helping professions can lead to burnout and disconnection from one’s own needs.
  • Burnout is characterized by exhaustion, apathy, and a disconnection from one’s purpose and values.
  • Reconnecting with joy and practising self-care are essential for preventing and recovering from burnout.
  • Experiencing a sacred pause, such as a health crisis, can provide an opportunity for self-reflection and growth.
  • Learning to receive and practise self-love is crucial for maintaining well-being and balance in life.

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The Scrumptious Woman EP45

Mon, Dec 11, 2023 9:35PM • 40:17


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Kate Caine, Juliette Karaman

Juliette Karaman  00:00

Good morning. Good evening. Good middle of the day. Welcome to the scrumptious woman. I have with me my beautiful Kate Kane. She’s a human centred coach, an osteopath and a medical scientist. As the youngest of 13 siblings, holy moly, she developed a keen sense of curiosity about people and how they relate to each other. After many years consulting and lecturing as a health professional, and some pretty interesting life experiences, it’s coaching that brings all her favourite things together to be shared with others, to bring their life to life. Welcome, Dr. Cates May I call you that?

Kate Caine  00:46

You can always sounds weird to my ear, because that’s not how I think myself, but I am. I am delighted to be here.

Juliette Karaman  00:56

I’m so happy you’re here. So Kate and I have been in this mastermind across time and space in different continents. And the mastermind took place somewhere else completely as well, which was just really delightful. So over the years, we have seen each other weekly, and really notice what has transpired for us, right. And how everyone has moved and evolved. It’s

Kate Caine  01:24

beautiful to watch people’s journey and people unfolding into their full potential. It is just, it’s beautiful for what to watch of others, but it’s also, you know, it’s kind of fuel for the journey for us to you know, keep evolving and keep changing.

Juliette Karaman  01:43

And that’s it right? So often we speak to people, and they’re like, Oh, what is this ever going to stop? Am I ever going to just like, be alright, am I ever going to be fixed? Like tonic? Do you need to be fixed? Or is this kind of just is your journey? This is your boss, this is your adventure?

Kate Caine  02:03

Yes, it is, you know, build your own adventure. And when you start to see it in though, in those terms, rather than you knew kind of was a Game of Thrones type trial to get to some endpoint. It changes the whole way you look at life that it is very interesting and curious. And things happen for a reason. And even, maybe things that seem unpleasant at the time, can often be the thing that kind of takes you off on a different path that you never would have found work by yourself to something that is even more amazing, then you might have contemplated

Juliette Karaman  02:44

completely. And I love how you were you say that you’ve always had this curiosity for life. Yeah, being one of 13 siblings, that’s that’s full, I can only imagine what that would be like in your in your house. Were you the oldest, the youngest and the middle.

Kate Caine  03:05

And the youngest. So it was pretty noisy and pretty full on household with not only my siblings, but all of their friends and people random people that would turn off because our house was a bit like that. It was like Paddington Station, just everybody coming in and out. So my refuge was, we used to have these World Book encyclopaedias that had pictures in them. So I would take a volume and I would go to my room and lie on my bed, and I would open it up and see what was on that page. And like, Oh, that’s very interesting. And then I would shut it again, and I would open it up at a different pace. So curiosity about all of the things in the world, you know, what other people do in different cultures? Or you know, what would they food do they eat? Well, how do they relate to each other their customs and traditions and it was just, I suppose a, like a portal into my own curious nature. That was a bit of a bit of peace and quiet, I have to say from the craziness of our our household,

Juliette Karaman  04:14

oh my goodness, I mean, I’ve got four kids. And at one point, you know, we had a household of seven kids, I can only imagine you were now sort of twice that and all the noise that comes with it and all the you know, the cooking and the cleaning and the this and that and like there’s a lot of people have lots of emotions going on there. So I completely understand that.

Kate Caine  04:38

And what I understand now is all of those energies in the one place and I view it some you know, there are a lot of things bumping up against at each other. And, you know, I look back at my mum, I like I don’t know how she stayed as sane as she did. Because dad was working and mum was He kind of left to man, the man the home front. And, you know, she was a force to be reckoned with. But, you know, it’s just not human Lee possible in 24 hours to meet the needs of all, you know, like beyond the kind of or not basic needs, but you know, a little bit bit more than basic needs of every single child, because it is just, you

Juliette Karaman  05:25

know, it’s a lot completely taken care of needs of that many people. It’s, it’s a big deal. Yeah. So I love where you took yourself off to get an encyclopaedia. And I think some of the listeners that we have listening might not even know what they are because they’ve kind of become extinct with the internet as

Kate Caine  05:49

well. It’s like the paper version of isn’t

Juliette Karaman  05:51

it wonderful, right. And I can almost see an image of you like almost like like going into your bedroom, but it almost feels like the Narnia, you know, where you go into that closet? And then you go into a completely different world.

Kate Caine  06:05

Oh, it is that that did that was like the Lion, the Witch in the wardrobe, it was that place that you had to go to, to calm the farm. And I think, you know, I didn’t know what I was doing. But I just, I needed that quiet to kind of recenter myself. So there’s lots of things that I now understand what I was doing. But I didn’t understand

Juliette Karaman  06:28

it. Well, do you want to enlighten our listeners a little bit? Because I know where are you might want to take this but it’s really what you know, what we know about the brain is that that is kind of like a type of meditation that you were doing. Absolutely.

Kate Caine  06:45

So looking back on my life now I know you can see that it is this, this weird mash up of burnout add impostor syndrome, on a kind of a background of growing up in such a big family, in a Catholic family, where, you know, mum, mum had no choice. But you know, with all these kids like her needs came second. So she was in a perpetual state of burnout. She was looking after other people constantly, not just our family, but people would call the house, she was a nurse, my dad was a doctor, people would be calling the house, you know, my child is sick, what do I do? So she was like triaging people over the phone, and people would turn up at the house, if they needed help it was, was nuts. So that was my, the way I grew up viewing the world that you had to serve others, and that your needs were secondary beautiful, which is fertile ground for becoming a health professional, because that’s pretty much what health professionals do. And over my, my years as a health professional, watching colleagues in different settings, but also hearing patients stories, you know, mothers, you know, other professional, professional women, and, you know, some exclusive to, I think, to attract more women, but I treat a lot of men as well. It’s this almost being crushed on the way under the weight of expectations, whether they be family or work, or social or new the beliefs and behaviours that we we have. It’s to serve others and to put your needs aside, and certainly working in sort of emergency type environments, like I worked in the emergency department for a couple of years. I see sisters are all Emergency Nurses. And I’ve got a brother in law who’s in the military, or it was in the military, this in those sorts of environments, you have to be able to act quickly. And to you almost you have to put your own needs aside. So when you perpetually train yourself to override your own needs, how you’re feeling emotionally, what sort of trauma that you’re experiencing. You know, I worked for forensics or in forensic pathology, doing autopsies. And also

Juliette Karaman  09:33

when to recognise this right we have so I’m just going to pause for a moment because it’s so important what you’re saying. So you grew up in a household where this was modelled to you. So everybody locate didn’t know each other, but that is the way to be to give of yourself so freely to over give and I hear a lot of overwhelm. Hear what you’re talking about. We’ll get to that soon. Burnout but then also Like seeing that your sisters, your family, a lot of them went into this same pattern. Right where Absolutely, and I’m treat, I’m just gonna say treating, but I’m helping some some doctors and some professional people in the medical field to actually learn how to feel and how to connect with their body again. So I understand completely understand what you’re talking about, like you almost have to disconnect from your emotions from your feelings.

Kate Caine  10:35

You don’t all you have to disconnect from your self, you have to being be able to voluntarily disembodied, to get the job done, because it doesn’t know how you feel. You have to do what you need to do to get the job done. Because literally other people’s lives may depend on it. And

Juliette Karaman  10:54

I really want people to just anchor that in. So we’re putting our own needs completely secondary at the bottom of the list. Are you being a forensic expert, doing autopsies, that’s what I would say. But you know, like, autopsies, and handling people that have passed over, it does need a certain resilience. And a lot of people would say, oh, yeah, they’re very strong, and their backbone, but you know, people that have these jobs, people that give so much of themselves, also have feelings also have emotions also feel. And that is the bit that you now make this beautiful new wave that you help people with, right? Yes.

Kate Caine  11:45

You, people who are in those sorts of helping professions and emergency services. And it’s not exclusive to them. But there’s almost a sense of, I can’t show how I feel, or I can’t fall apart because other people are depending on me. So there’s the sense of duty, and obligation, and professionalism. And it still exists in this country and Australia. And I don’t know whether it’s elsewhere, that if you go as a medical professional, and say that you’re experiencing depression, or anxiety or burnout, it becomes a reportable situation. So many people are reluctant to come forward and say that they’re experiencing difficulty or feeling sort of traumatised, because they get stigma stigmatised as not being up to task or being weak or unprofessional, or that they may have their licence taken to practice taken away from them, or that they’re somehow unsafe to practice. So there can be barriers for people to seek support. And a lot of people will do it off the books. So that you know, there’s no paper trail, because if you know, they, they may not be allowed to practice.

Juliette Karaman  13:12

And that’s a big thing, right? So if we’re going to start taking care of ourselves, and we’ll be really honest about it, then your licence might be taken away your way of making livelihood, and where you’re actually impacting other people’s lives, where you’re helping them just by taking care of yourself and making sure that you have the right tools on board that might reflect negatively on you. Absolutely.

Kate Caine  13:36

And I think you know, the paradoxical nature of that being a health professional, like I take care of others, but I don’t care of take care of myself. And the the blatant hypocrisy of the young, you know, some of the medical, you know, the way the system is set up, it is often not a health system. It’s a disease and death mitigation system. That takes care of the basic needs of a lot of people. And I don’t say that in a disrespectful way. Health professionals do an incredible job, often under very difficult circumstances being underfunded, under resourced. You know, they do the absolutely over and above the best that they can do, or other people, but often that comes at a cost to themselves

Juliette Karaman  14:25

completely. And I’d really love to give a shout out to those health professionals that are working their butts off. I know here in England, we have a lot of people from different countries because the burnout rate is so great. And also Yeah.

Kate Caine  14:48

So, you know, it’s an interesting thing that I’ve worked with clarifying with people about the difference between exhaustion and overwhelm, and actual tipping out into burnout. Because the two are not the same thing. Lots of people are busy. And lots of people are exhausted from work, like physically exhausted from work. But burnout has a few other sort of domains to it. So there is the exhaustion. But there’s also this kind of an apathy, or a disconnection or cynicism that comes that disconnects people from any enjoyment of their work, lots of times, their physical body turns up to work. But emotionally, mentally, you they, they, then they’re not engaged in something that they want. So they’re that, you know, it is often that apathy, like you just don’t feel anything. It’s like, you know, not fast, one way or the other, you are just so far beyond being tired, that you are completely disconnected. And you turn up as a matter of duty and obligation, because you know, that it needs to be done. But it is, it’s just a sort of a sense of emptiness. And that decreases people’s productivity decreases their engagement. In some cases, it may decrease the safety with which they work. And, you know, that’s not a not a judgement, that’s just a statement of fact. But those people that we need to support, absolutely need to

Juliette Karaman  16:33

what would be if listeners are listening, listeners, obviously do listen to our listeners. What if you are recognising yourself in this and you don’t have to be in the health care profession, profession for this to happen? It could be anything else. But what if you’re like, Wow, I’m actually just feeling a little bit numb. I show up. Yeah. But yeah, yeah. Yeah, if at the end of the day, I kind of like, look back, and I realised that I’ve done things and I kind of feel like a robot like a machine. Yeah.

Kate Caine  17:08

Well, that is that is exactly that hit the nail on the head is that beyond that exhaustion is kind of this autopilot, where you turn up and you get shit done. But you’re not engaged with them. You, you go into these brain protective mode of being almost you can’t remember what’s happened. You just you turn up and you know, you’re still doing good work. But it’s interesting that often the people that I suppose end up at burnout, what do people just go to work, it’s no big deal, I just turn up, I get stuff done. And I go home, I there’s no kind of emotional pull of it. But it’s often that people whose work means something to them, it’s really connected to their purpose and their values. And the definition of burnout is when you’re at burnout, you’re working in violation of your purpose and your values. So if you’re a health professional, and your values are to look after your patients to the best of your ability with, you know, in all domains, and you’re not resourced to do that, if you don’t have time and support to actually spend with clients, if you feel like people are falling through the cracks, or that there’s so much to do, and you just can’t physically you’ve got no staff, and no, you can’t reach the people that are most vulnerable. And you just keep you have to keep going and have to keep going. And it’s like Groundhog Day, you just turn up every day and get smashed. COVID was a massive example. It is you reached this point where your brain just you have to dissociate because you still have to do the job, or you still want to try and do her job. But your body and your brain is trying to protect you. So you you just numb out completely. So when you start things like you don’t not just at work, when you start to it starts to leak out into home, where you don’t enjoy the things that you normally would enjoy with your family and friends. When you start losing a rag or you know, snapping at people

Juliette Karaman  19:19

seeing your rag. I love that expression. But yeah, snapping up people.

Kate Caine  19:27

Some people you might have to translate or yet you know, totally kind of lose your call over small things. You’re not sleeping well. You don’t get any sort of enjoyment out of life, that that number starts to pervade into other things. And one of the sort of aspects that I focus on in the work that I do in burnout coaching even in my work as an Austria with patients is that it’s often people talk about burnout and they talk about it as related to work, and often about the internal factors related to work, you know, workload work hours, pay, you know, the communication channels with your managers, the politics, the culture, the environment, all of those things. And they’re super relevant. But they don’t talk about the person in the context of their work. Because it’s the person that functions in the context of work, it’s not just the work. So how is that person relating at home, what’s their relationship with their partner or their kids, because you can’t cut separate it, the same person that goes from home to work and back again. And it’s nice to think that you can separate those things, but you can’t really so. And one, we’ll start with the

Juliette Karaman  20:49

employee. So what you’re really talking about is disconnection of self write of really, where we override our own boundaries, we don’t even know them anymore. We constantly give and this isn’t we said this in the coaching, coaching world a lot, you can’t give from an empty cup. And it’s just like, watering a plant with an empty jug of water, nothing’s going to go into those seats, right, it’s not going to actually nourish them. And it’s just every time we make more and more decisions like that, it’s again, kind of like anchors into our body, it creates disease, where it’s like, we’re disconnecting from self from our, our innate self, our sense of self worth 100%.

Kate Caine  21:37

And you go into survival mode. And, you know, it is a kind, it’s a, you know, it’s a form of. And many, you know, the other thing that influences, you know, adults who are working and in relationships and at home, is the beliefs and behaviours that they bring from their family, and childhood, and, you know, family of origin, all of those sorts of things. Because often those beliefs, stop them making decisions about their work. If you believe that you’re going to be judged, if you ask for more time off, or for a change in your working environment, or whatever it is, I don’t have the right to ask for that. Or women, female patients that I work work with, they turn up with the physical manifestations of burnout, you tight walls, they’re clenching their teeth, they’re not sleeping. They’re trying to look after kids, their bodies are train wrecks. And then to even, they’re so overwhelmed, they’ve got zero bandwidth, even to start the discussion. They’re almost offended. You know, I can’t possibly do that, you know, I just don’t have time. I don’t have time. I don’t have any choice. And it’s too late. And I can’t do it because I’d be selfish or self indulgent.

Juliette Karaman  23:09

That’s where the shame comes in where it’s like, but I’ve always done this. I’ve been modelled this, this is how I should be.

Kate Caine  23:19

Yes, guess the, I’m wearing my underpants on the outside.

Juliette Karaman  23:22

I love being

Kate Caine  23:24

beaten. Well, I often say that to women, and they sort of look at me, like I said, Oh, so you’re wearing your underpants on the outside now. It is. It doesn’t lead anywhere good. But just starting to have that conversation with them about even increasing their awareness about where they’re in, or where they say that you can’t read the label from the inside of the jar, that they so deep in it, that they don’t even realise how much trouble they can

Juliette Karaman  24:02

clearly write. And that’s often what we see where people are so deeply in it that anything just goes over their head until at one point. Yes, often we have to reach almost like rock bottom where our body just gives up. Wow.

Kate Caine  24:19

Yeah, I mean, like, for me, that point was being diagnosed with breast cancer. And I know that you’ve had experiences where, you know, we’ve both had experiences where you know, you’ve stared death in the face. And Stockton has. I know we have a common mentor and such as Roger. And I can remember him saying, I don’t know whether it’s a quote or but you know, to prepare to prepare for your death. Because that will inform how you live your life. When you’re in those last moments. What do you Want to be remembered? For what do you want people to remember you for? Or what legacy Do you want to have left? Or you know, how do you want to you left your imprint on the world, that it’s so easy to get caught up in the dross of every day that we don’t live our life, we don’t do the things that are really a value to completely.

Juliette Karaman  25:23

And this is part of why I started this scrumptious woman this podcast, so that people can remember what it is that gives them joy. And actually beautiful that you reminded me of what such and said, and one of my programmes I talk about this, it’s like, just imagine that you’re on your deathbed. And your daughter or your cousin or whoever someone that is near to you. comes and asks you, you know, hey, what have you loved about your life? And what is the advice that you give to them. And pretty much everyone that has taken that exercise set to live more, be more, enjoy more, have more fun, because before you know it, it’s the end of your life. You know, both you and I have been with lots of people that have passed over I’ve had this beautiful honour of actually helping people cross over. And this is what it is. They’re like, Oh my God, if only I had spent more time with my loved ones, only I had just trusted in myself. Only I had gone and climbed that mountain or whatever it is. Yeah. Or tickled that baby or what ever it is that as you feel alive.

Kate Caine  26:39

Yeah. And it. It sounds a lot of people will listen. And they’ll say, yeah, yeah, I’m gonna do that. But then tomorrow, you know, the next lot of stuff arrives. So it is that, you know, if only, I mean, watching the families when I worked at forensics, the families who come in to identify their loved one who’s been, you know, in some cases murdered or you know, has died in a road accident, or, you know, I just between the emergency department and working with forensics, in a matter of seconds, the course of your life can be just, you know, spun around. And, you know, often there’s no going back from that, that moment, like your physical your, you may be injured that alters the course of your life, or the the course of your life, your partner or your member of your family is taken from you. It is makes you realise how precious life is that we it goes along so well on its own. Sometimes we take it for granted until one moment, then we don’t have it. So if you like

Juliette Karaman  27:54

so in your your practice in your own life, what has breast cancer given you?

Kate Caine  28:03

That’s a good question. And I don’t mean this to sound, you know, like a hallmark moment. But I’ll tell you this story. I remember the day before my GP rang me to say that the ultrasound that I’d had on my breast was nothing suspicious. I was right. I was running my own practice. And I was very busy. I was a very busy person.

Juliette Karaman  28:30

Oh, I know. That was probably that that had you feel really good, right? Because people are like, Oh my God, she’s so busy. It’s almost like, like, we get like a shoulder pad. Right? It’s like, Oh, my God, look at how busy she is.

Kate Caine  28:42

Yeah, shoulder pads was very important. And I was only a couple of days away from going on a holiday to Vietnam because I was absolutely bad. I was burnt out. So you know, something I’ve experienced myself three or four times. Anyway, the receptionist rings. He said, You have to come in today. I’m like, I can’t possibly come in today. Got a whole afternoon for patients. It’s not going to happen. I said, I possibly can come in tomorrow, but you don’t have to be I was supposed to be going to visit my Artena distant town. I said, Look, I’ll see if I can reorganise it. But I could just remember almost rolling my eyes like, Oh, can’t you just tell me the results over the phone? Like really? You know, is it that hard? I’m so busy. I don’t I’m so important that I don’t have time to come. Anyway, so I go in and you she’s looking a bit grim. And she tells me that the results are not don’t look good from the ultrasound. You need to have a biopsy, and I’m booking you in to see a surgeon and I’m thinking well that’s a bit melodramatic, isn’t it? You haven’t even got the results yet. So I have the biopsy, and I go on my holiday and she’s booked me in to get The results from the surgeon so I rock up to this man’s office, I’ve never seen him before in my life. And he tells me, it’s malignant. And I’m booking you in for surgery. And I can remember just walking out back to my car and he said, Do you have anyone to drive me home? And I’m like, oh, no, it’s fine, I’m fine. I only live down the road, it’s fine, I’ll drive myself home. And I walked out, and I sat in the car for a few minutes. And I went from, I’ve got so much to do, I’m such a busy person, I can’t possibly come in for this appointment, to ringing three of my colleagues, and asking them whether they would take my patients for the next six months. So like, within the hour, I’d send out an email, I had arranged made arrangements for my patients to be diverted to other clinics, and I checked my clinic down. So it is a furphy, to say that you can’t do something. And it’s sometimes not until you have that moment of you know, like, when you stare death in the face, it has a pretty clarifying effect, I had to say. And something that was impossible an hour ago suddenly becomes very possible, and you just do it. And that taught me a very big lesson. And over the course of the treatment that I had, which was during the first year of the pandemic, because hey,

Juliette Karaman  31:35

I love your sense. All right.

Kate Caine  31:41

Seriously, like I had this drive that I was, you know, I was going to make it a good experience. But I met some of the nicest people I was, I was for probably the first time and it was, it was a lot to do with you about receiving all your work with me about receiving, to allow myself to receive help random people in the supermarket wanting to carry my groceries, people wanting to do things for me. And it was it was so humbling for, for me to who’s been a care of other people, and who’s always doing other people to allow myself to, to receive that and not feel bad about it. So it was lovely. And so many opportunities arose for me to broaden my coaching, skills and coaching new people came into my world coaching world to take that time to pause and reevaluate where what was important in my life, who and what was important in my life. It was it was an IT. I don’t recommend that anybody has it. But it for me, it was an incredible experience. And it changed the way I saw the world I’ve had

Juliette Karaman  33:08

interesting, right and thank you so much for sharing that and being so vulnerable and open. How we receive is not that easy, right? And we’ve just been so brought up to be stoic. And now we can do it ourselves. And then when you actually open those codes, that receiving channel, and yes, by the way, I do have a programme called receiving codes. So go to my website. And look at that. Once you start opening that, it’s like, oh, the whole world actually wants to give to me, I just have been too busy. To look at this. I’ve been too engrained in my own thing to actually receive this energetic exchange, because we can’t keep giving and receiving right? It’s the beauty of life where it’s about.

Kate Caine  34:00

Yeah, well, it’s that and an empty cup, like a cup. It has one purpose to is, is to hold stuff, it holds liquid or it new, it holds to have a full cup, you know that its sole purpose. You know, if it’s empty, it’s the only thing that you can do with an empty cup with fill it up again. So

Juliette Karaman  34:24

so what I hear is that being diagnosed with cancer going through all the treatments actually gave you that sacred pause in life where you just allowed yourself to pause free receive be

Kate Caine  34:42

I couldn’t put it better myself. And it was it was a gift. I really struggled with the idea of I didn’t want I didn’t allow people To around me to say that you’re fighting cancer, or it’s a battle, or you’re a survivor, or you’re like that language I just didn’t find particularly helpful, because it creates that sense of, it’s something bad I’ve got to fight against, it just creates that sense of polarity. And you know, by the time you get the diagnosis, there’s no point wishing that it hadn’t happened, because it’s already completely. So you know, don’t fight it, fight against it, embrace its lessons, embrace the opportunity to look after your body, and to, to do whatever is needed to support it to do its thing. Because your body has incredible innate healing powers, if you give it the right tools, and you get out of its way that didn’t like I had a lot of integrative oncology care alongside my conventional oncology care, I was very proactive about what I wanted to happen, because it was my body. And I’ve always been an advocate for my health is my, my greatest asset. Without it, I don’t have anything, I can’t work, I can’t look after other people, I can’t travel, I can’t enjoy life and don’t do anything. And that paradoxical situation of the more you look after yourself, the more you have the capacity to look. Your intention to look after others, if your intention is to look after others, and you run yourself into the ground, you’re defeating your own purpose. So I say to my patients, I’m not asking you to put any more attention on yourself than anyone else. But um, you know, it’s not, we’re not asking you to be selfishly looking after yourself. But I’m asking you to pay some attention to your own health, so that you can continue to do the things you

Juliette Karaman  37:01

actually start including yourself, with those people that you love. If you don’t start loving yourself, is gonna love you. Like, this is really where it starts. And that’s the beauty of awareness. start being aware of what’s happening, that really is your first step toward self love.

Kate Caine  37:20

Yes. Because when you don’t do that burnout is where you end up in violation of your purpose and values. Exhausted, disconnected, disembodied, numb, unable to do the thing that you love to

Juliette Karaman  37:36

do. So the sacred pause coming back to you? I? Yeah, I’m really honoured to have this conversation with you. Please let our listeners know where they can find you where it’s like, Oh, my God, this doctor Kate sounds amazing. I I’m on the edge of burnout dry. I would love to hear a little bit more about her story. How can they? How can they get in touch with you?

Kate Caine  38:03

I think email is the best way or on my through my Facebook page. My website is having major renovations done to it. So either sort of email, Facebook Messenger. I’ve got a Calendly link if people wanted to book a time to have a chat. So I can include that in there. Yes.

Juliette Karaman  38:24

Why don’t you say it out loud already so that we can have it put in, you’ll send me the link, but then people can also hear it. So

Kate Caine  38:32

Calendly link, if you would like to have more of a one on one to see if we’d be a good

Juliette Karaman  38:40

fit. What was really beautiful opening up your schedule for people to have a one on one chat, discuss what’s going on for them. That’s very generous. Now it’s with what I love to do.

Kate Caine  38:53

It’s so important, you know, particularly for women, like women experienced more about burnout than men and who for a whole raft of reasons. Not that but I just seem to what seems to happen is I attract women who are kind of on the edge.

Juliette Karaman  39:12

Thank you so much for being here. Please share this with your listeners. You know the drill. And Kate, really, I love what you’re bringing to this word, world. Thank you.

Kate Caine  39:26

Thank you for having me. It’s been an absolute joy. To see you when to talk to you. It’s um you have been a big part in I suppose, almost like a big system being a mentor for me about how to step up and step in to my fullness. Because as I’ve watched you step into your fullness and meaning to share that with others. You know to in the fullness of their their life step into the full was of your life and I enjoy it because that’s why you’re completely

Juliette Karaman  40:07

well I’m happy to have been part of this seeing you blossom is gorgeous Thank

Kate Caine  40:13

you my love it’s been a pleasure

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